NRA: Obama's 10 point plan - mailing

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I got a mailing from the NRA with 4 little wallet sized "10 Point Plan" information cards.

Is anybody doing anything with these besides just giving them to fellow gun owners whom you think might not be aware of these issues? For example, maybe making blown up copies and distributing them to gun stores for customers to take (should a gun store allow you to leave them there).

Let's not talk politics. I'm just wondering if anybody has plans to do something with these cards besides just hand out the few they received.
 
I'm a life member. I don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps publishing the 10 points here would go a lot farther than handing them out to your local buds.
 
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essentially the same thing was sent out as a mailing to NRA members. I would imagine you'll get yours any day now jakemccoy.

It has that list printed on 4 foldable info-cards that you can hand out to people to make others aware of these issues.
 
I'm sure they are culled from his past positions and stated intentions, however, how many of those could he realistically pull off? Not all 10 surely.

I'm not trying to downplay the dangers of Obama on the 2nd Amendment, but those sound suspiciously like hyped-up, over-generalizations meant to incite people with limited fact-checking ability to donate to the NRA asap.

It's typical of lobbying organizations to use fear to elicit an emotional knee jerk response. In this case, they are looking for money.
 
Those 10-points are horrible of course. Are those 10-points actually from Obama or just predictions? I couldn't find anything on www.nraila.org. Also, #7 seems out of place. I don't get that one.
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In many areas of the country Democrats are pushing to restore the right of criminals to vote on the theory that most of them will vote Democrat. In fact, it is common in some areas of the country for democratic controlled election officials not to strike the names of criminals from the voter rolls for that reason. in FL a few years back, it was so bad that the state had to step in and do it for them because many local election officials flat out refused to follow the law and purge felons from the voting rolls.
 
I'm sure they're looking for money, and Congress would never go for all 10, but I honestly believe if he had his way, all 10 would be in place within a week of taking office. So it's not crazy predictions from NRA.
 
those sound suspiciously like hyped-up, over-generalizations meant to incite people with limited fact-checking ability to donate to the NRA asap.
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That describes about 80% of the stuff the NRA-ILA sends to me.
 
maybe it's over-hyped... maybe it's not. I'm just wondering what we should do with it?
 
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those sound suspiciously like hyped-up, over-generalizations meant to incite people with limited fact-checking ability to donate to the NRA asap.
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That describes about 80% of the stuff the NRA-ILA sends to me.
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Not really, the website listed above contains links with proof pointing to votes that obama has made in the senate and his time in Chicago supporting each one of these 10 provisions... it is not the NRA making stuff up (they did reword it to fit a nice tidy list, but nothing outragious changed to make stuff up)

Look it up!

http://nraila.org/obama
 
those sound suspiciously like hyped-up, over-generalizations meant to incite people with limited fact-checking ability to donate to the NRA asap.
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1. Does not support any concept of castle doctrine

2. Obama is opposed to CCW. Look it up. He has that he feels that it puts innoccent people at risk.

3. In 1996, however, Obama said in a questionnaire that he "supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns"

4. don't know about 4
5. Voted to ban any cartrige that would pentrate light body armor, which is most centerfire ammo.
6. Obama was a state senator in Illinois, where he supported increasing federal excise taxes on guns and ammunition by 500 percent
8. He stated that he wishes to make the Clinton AWB to be reinstated and to be made forever.
9 and 10 i don't know about personally.

So please, check the facts before you say it just scaring members...
 
So please, check the facts before you say it just scaring members...
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The fact is, regardless of his past positions, who knows what he will and will not try to get enacted if he's president? Lots of the presidents have moved quite a bit towards the center when they are elected. Lots of them change their positions somewhat, and never take any actions on prior positions.

The breathless way these things are worded, and the lack of any context is what I call "hype."

I'm not voting for the man, however, I hate all this fear-based political crap. I just hate it. From all sources.

And FWIW, I am a member of the NRA.
 
Past performance is one of the better ways of gaging how politicians will act in the future since they tend to be rather "loose" with the truth.
 
Past performance is one of the better ways of gaging how politicians will act in the future
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That model works for congresscritters, not so much for Presidents.

EDIT: Sorry if it comes off that I'm defending Obama. I'm not. I'm guilty of making some generalizations here about the nature of presidential politics. I'm just feeling really skeptical and cynical right now. I guess I should just shut up.
 
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That poster makes it look like those 10 points are coming straight from Obama right now. That was my first impression. It's misleading. It takes away some credibility. I don't need any mind tricks. The raw facts are good enough for me. For example, the facts list and footnotes on the website are more for me.

Personally, I would not pass that poster out to my friends or acquaintances. Once they found out the 10-points didn't come straight from Obama right now, they'd dismiss me as a propaganda pusher for all future discussions on politics.
 
Rugerlvr wrote:

I'm not trying to downplay the dangers of Obama on the 2nd Amendment, but those sound suspiciously like hyped-up, over-generalizations meant to incite people with limited fact-checking ability to donate to the NRA asap.
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I'm with you that most of what we get in the form of news and updates is hyped (to sell something), innaccurate (not waiting for full details), or just plain an outright lie (because of an agenda).

I would say that with the Senate and House governed by the idiots that are currently in there and will remain there, you team them up with our friend Obama and we could see a big push towards these 10 points.

What he may or may not get done will depend on the voice of gun owners. In the meantime to use a famous quote, "be afraid, be very afraid." :evil:

I joke about that, but I actually do have genuine unease about what the future holds for our gun rights.
 
Jake: How about giving it out with some historical context. I think it does a good job narrowing down how Obama feels about guns.

Is there anything on those 10 points that is actually inaccurate? So I would preface it with this is produced by the NRA to blatantly point out that Obama is completely anti-gun and anti-2nd amendment.

That way people can read it for themselves within the proper context.

Just an idea.
 
Well if we are not careful and viligant, with ANY canidate we could go and think back about the clinton years and thing of the good old days.

of course, a part of being careful is checking what a canidate has said in the past.
 
From what I've heard McCain's position isn't a lot better. Rock and a hard place is how I feel right now.

/Registered Republican
 
Also, #7 seems out of place. I don't get that one.
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People who are prevented from legaly having a firearm usualy do not vote for other people to legaly own firearms. The more voters that are prohibited persons the more people voting against firearm ownership.
So by restoring thier voting rights, while at the same time denying thier gun rights, you are essentialy asking them to vote whether people besides themselves should be able to legaly purchase firearms, and whether they should be more widely available when they themselves cannot use them. Few people vote for others to be able to do things they themselves cannot do.

They of course will usualy vote for more restrictions and against gun rights.
 
People who are prevented from legaly having a firearm usualy do not vote for other people to legaly own firearms.
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Wow. Is there actually any empirical evidence for this? Or is it just hype?
 
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