NRA petition to fire AG Holder
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Zundfolge
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I dunno if firing Holder is a good idea ... he might be replaced by someone both evil AND competent.
wild cat mccane
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yeah the NRA has been SOOO right about this administration taking everyone's gun.
FEAR FEAR be our voting base. yawn
FEAR FEAR be our voting base. yawn
langenc
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This admin has prevented shooters from getting some millions of M1s back from Korea , as I remember.
Doesnt appear your are an NRA member so why does the NRAs activities bother you??
Doesnt appear your are an NRA member so why does the NRAs activities bother you??
KJS
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The gun-grabbers use NRA as a slur. It's become the new 'N-word.'
If they want to discredit someone, which is far easier than actually engaging in serious debate, they simply label them as an "NRA minion." It seems they believe I joined the NRA in 2009 and upgraded to life member in January 2010 because I'm a mindless fool needing the NRA to tell me what I'm supposed to think.
I'm an NRA member because I independly concluded gun-grabbers need to be stopped and the NRA is the most effective means available for achieving that goal. I think independently and don't automatically agree with the NRA on every last detail.
Even more shocking, I don't sleep with a gun under my pillow, nor do I cling to religion as Obama officially states. I'm an atheist, so religion fails to do anything for me. I also am not an enthusiastic Republican. I'm very strongly libertarian, forced to vote for morons with an 'R' following their name simply because their pile stinks marginally less than the pile produced by the 'L' crowd of elected morons.
If they want to discredit someone, which is far easier than actually engaging in serious debate, they simply label them as an "NRA minion." It seems they believe I joined the NRA in 2009 and upgraded to life member in January 2010 because I'm a mindless fool needing the NRA to tell me what I'm supposed to think.
I'm an NRA member because I independly concluded gun-grabbers need to be stopped and the NRA is the most effective means available for achieving that goal. I think independently and don't automatically agree with the NRA on every last detail.
Even more shocking, I don't sleep with a gun under my pillow, nor do I cling to religion as Obama officially states. I'm an atheist, so religion fails to do anything for me. I also am not an enthusiastic Republican. I'm very strongly libertarian, forced to vote for morons with an 'R' following their name simply because their pile stinks marginally less than the pile produced by the 'L' crowd of elected morons.
langenc
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We all have trouble at the voting booth-voting AGAINST someone instead of FOR someone. We always end up w/ a little evil and that is like a little pregnant--IT GROWS. We have to use the scalpel to end some (many?) of those careers. Too bad we had to vote for them in the first place.
There are those who vote for one party regardless of who is running, Kruschev, maybe. They would vote cause he has the correct letter after his name. Grandpa voted that way and so di I, they say.
There are those who vote for one party regardless of who is running, Kruschev, maybe. They would vote cause he has the correct letter after his name. Grandpa voted that way and so di I, they say.
No, they haven't "taken people's guns away". Instead, they empowered the BATFE to put guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels in a misguided attempt to blame US gun owners for the chaos south of our boarder....to lay the groundwork for future gun control regulations. Obama has been quoted as saying he was pursuing gun control "under the radar". Why don't you believe him?
publius
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More specifically, in the hands of at least one cartel customer who was also an FBI informant paying with US taxpayer dollars, according to Issa and Grassley's letter to Holder. So our government was chasing its own tail.
The latest revelation is that the Tampa ATF office was "walking" guns to Honduras.
The most astonishing thing to me is that we have a politically volatile Bill of Rights issue, it is threatening an agency head and may well go higher, we have a dead federal agent or two and 150 plus dead Mexicans, we have accusations that the Attorney General has obstructed justice and lied to Congress in this case, and yet the Washington Post still has not yet printed exactly what the government did. No one in the mainstream media seems to want to ask AG Holder the obvious question about his testimony in May that he learned of this scandal a few weeks earlier. (For Washington Post readers: the obvious question is, "Did you not get Senator Grassley's letter of January 31, or just not open it?")
publius
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A journalist's guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part One
With regard to the role of the NRA in this scandal, it's fun to take a look at that page, assembled by the guys who broke this story. Search the page for the word "weinermobile."
With regard to the role of the NRA in this scandal, it's fun to take a look at that page, assembled by the guys who broke this story. Search the page for the word "weinermobile."
mljdeckard
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Pay close attention to what Zundfolge said. Particularly if he wins reelection. There will be some staff shakeups, I think at least Holder and Geithner will have to go. WHO KNOWS who would replace them. Then Obama would have nothing to lose.
And to wild cat and whomever else has convinced themself that Obama is gun friendly, remember that there is a BIG difference between WANTING to go after guns, and being in a position to be ABLE to go after them. Influence from people like us and the clout the NRA has is the only thing keeping him from moving it to the top of the to-do list. If he gets reelected, the list gets re-written.
And to wild cat and whomever else has convinced themself that Obama is gun friendly, remember that there is a BIG difference between WANTING to go after guns, and being in a position to be ABLE to go after them. Influence from people like us and the clout the NRA has is the only thing keeping him from moving it to the top of the to-do list. If he gets reelected, the list gets re-written.
Lakedaemonian
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The thing to worry most about is not the direct attack that most hope for, but the flank attack that no one sees coming. What worries me even more than that is the prospect of more [folk] like yourself that are registered voters.
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wow6599
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This is what really scares me...........
Double Naught Spy
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And we do the exact same moronic thing by labelling the opposition as "liberals," such as the "liberal media." When they misclassify some gun attribute, they are idiots. When a progun expert on TV or in a gun magazine does it, he made a mistake.
Double standard?
Heck we are so embroiled in double standards that we often invoke bizarre conspiracy theories to explain away problems. When there is an ND at a gun show or a re-enactor negligently shoots another person, we are inclined to note the possibility of anti-gun liberals sneaking live ammo into guns to cause these problems instead of noting incompetence.
That was the repeated claim over and over and it spread like wildfire and spurred the biggest civilian run on guns ever, making Obama "Salesman of the Year" in the gun industry.
I love it, we are supposed to believe Obama when he says something threatening, not believe him if he says something concillatory. The Democrats are incompetent and lazy when it comes to doing anything good, but skilled planners and diligent workers when it comes to taking our guns.
We are always just on the verge of disaster, even when we aren't. We just knew gun sales were going to stop as soon as Obama was elected and somehow we scared ourselves silly, driving up prices, many of which have never recovered.
The petition against AG Holder isn't going to change a thing officially, and the NRA knows it. They are simply going through the motions of making a longer term protest as petitions seem to circulate longer than simply news blurbs. Think of it as an alternative form of advertising, a bit of misrepresentation because they really aren't trying to remove Holder as they know that it will never happen. The NRA knows the democratic administration isn't going to pay any real attention to a right wing petition and they know that anti-gun folks aren't going to sign anything NRA. You can sign it, but know that you are not signing it because the NRA really believes it will do anything to get holder removed. Know you are signing it to support some unstated agenda, one of those sort of flank attack tactics Lakedaemonion worries about happening to us.
publius
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It probably should not. The Supreme Court was sort of dragged into finally setting a second amendment precedent. It would be a big surprise to me if they quickly reversed it. They are not big on reversing themselves, though it does happen.
Consider the politics that would follow. There was something of a backlash to Kelo vs New London, and the decision and the entire subject of eminent domain have become somewhat politically radioactive since.
No, they will not likely reverse themselves, but they will manipulate their way around the decision to the point that they may as well have reversed. Instead of reversing Heller, a liberal court would just fail to strike down any challenged gun laws. If they find any and all gun control laws constitutional (including city-wide bans not in a federal districts i.e. Chicago), it would achieve the same effect as a reversal. Look at what the 4 liberals did in McDonald, despite Heller's holding just 2 years earlier. If anyone is familiar with the Slaughterhouse Cases, that is a perfect example of what I am referring to.
What's the point of petitioning for Holder to resign? He is going nowhere except upon direction from the President. Tell him how you feel next November with your vote.
Old krow
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Double Naught Spy
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But not a digital one!
Eric Holder should go. However, he is a political appointee and so many of Obama's machine have left recently, it would be very hard for the Obama administration to push him out right now.
I would prefer that he be indicted by a state (Texas) or local jusridiction. As AG, he was sworn to uphold the law and Eric's legal sting operation did not do so.
If convicted in a state or local jurisdiction, a short sentance - say 30 years jail time, is appropriate.
I would prefer that he be indicted by a state (Texas) or local jusridiction. As AG, he was sworn to uphold the law and Eric's legal sting operation did not do so.
If convicted in a state or local jurisdiction, a short sentance - say 30 years jail time, is appropriate.
alsaqr
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A poster on another site called it an exercise in mental masturbation: That's exactly what it is.
KJS
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I hadn't seen that quote before, though I have no doubt about his hatred of gun rights.
I can't recall any public statement out of Obama nor his administration since February 2009 when, only a few weeks into his new job, AG Eric Holder stated it was the Obama administration's intent to bring back the AWB ban. I gather they're REALLY anti-gun when he has this so high on his to-do list that he's saying that almost immediately upon starting the job. Makes it look like a very high priority.
After that Obama & Co. seem to learn to shut up, finding that such statements simply sent herds of people running to buy every AK, AR, and strip shelves totally bare of handgun ammo. I remember stopping by a Gander Mtn store in May 2009 and they literally had no handgun ammo at all. I don't mean they had little, I mean zip, unless you count some .22LR.
A local gun shop has Obama's pic on the wall, captioned "Gun Salesman of the year," a richly deserved title. Ironically, a man who love to have every gun vanish from the face of the earth unintentionally causes unprecidented buying of firearms & ammo. Seems like he's learned to shut up, lest he sell even more guns.
He effectively enacted the Firearms & Ammo Industry Full Employment Act, putting all companies that makes guns & ammo to work at full capacity. Finally, an stimulus plan that actually worked and didn't cost taxpayers a cent!
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