NRA Schilling for Facebook?

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In today's NRA-ILA email there is this giveaway;

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/6/eotech-nra-giveaway.aspx

Apparently you have to be a user of Facebook to participate. This really disappoints me as I am a NRA member and a regular contributor to the ILA. Not that much as i give couple of times a month and usually between $10 and $20 but I think I should be able to enter this with out having to be a user of a business whose business model I find objectionable. It sure looks like the NRA is trying to help Facebook grow. While I understand the government and business in this nation are collecting all kinds of data about all of us at an unprecedented rate I choose not to be a willing paricipant.
 
It sure looks like the NRA is trying to help Facebook grow.

Wow. That was a pretty fast conclusion.

Lots of companies give away things all the time on Facebook, Youtube, etc that require registration. Why? Easier to keep track of ACTUAL people and weed out false/multiple entries.

Loosen the tinfoil hat there.
 
Lots of companies give away things all the time on Facebook, Youtube, etc that require registration. Why? Easier to keep track of ACTUAL people and weed out false/multiple entries.

As an NRA member I have a membership card and that card has a number - use of which would permit the exclusion of false or multiple entries.
 
The NRA is not "schilling for Facebook". Facebook doesn't need any help growing they are already huge and very popular especially among younger generations. The NRA is trying to boost their profile on Facebook and reach out to people that they don't reach through their traditional methods. Most major brands and organizations are doing the same and giveaways like this are very common.

EDIT: When you "like" something on Facebook it shows up on the Facebook page of everyone you are connected to. All future NRA posts will also show up on your Facebook page. This is a really cheap way for the NRA to advertise on Facebook and get their message to people.
 
Facebook doesn't need any help growing they are already huge and very popular especially among younger generations.

Actually Facebook is getting to the point of being seen as for "old people". Old people in quotes as they're not really old, but the userbase of Facebook seems to be the 25 to 40 crowd these days. Most people younger than that are on other services like Tumblr, Twitter, and Instagram.

Being in the tech sector I go to a decent number of conferences and this topic has come up pretty regularly lately. Facebook isn't dead, but its not "hot" anymore, and most of the younger crowd isn't on there (or if they are they're actually posting on other services that just proxy their posts to a Facebook page).
 
Boosting a profile among Facebook members is one thing but promoting memberships by making this exclusive to Facebook members is another.
If that is not Schilling what is???
 
Boosting a profile among Facebook members is one thing but promoting memberships by making this exclusive to Facebook members is another.
If that is not Schilling what is???

An obsolete Austrian monetary unit?

In any case, they're not shilling for Facebook as they're not posing as a fake satisfied customer. They're just using Facebook for free advertising.
 
The purpose is not to get NRA members to sign up for Facebook, it is for Facebook users to sign up to get updates from the NRA. This is a really cheap way for the NRA to get a bunch of people to sign up to be spammed on a continual basis. The NRA doesn't need to reach you, you are already a member and I'm sure you already get all kinds of emails, newsletters, and magazines from the NRA. You are not the target demographic so you don't get to enter the drawing.
 
The NRA finds Facebook of value to it which is fine BUT excluding those of us non-Facebook members who support the ILA is an odd way of expressing it's gratitude. By using this tact it is at very least pushing us toward Facebook membership. If they are not promoting Facebook why not let all NRA members enter?
 
They're not promoting Facebook, they're promoting their own Facebook page. In a day and age where 'likes' is becoming increasing used as if it's synonymous with 'public support' they very much want to make sure they have more 'likes' than, say, the Brady Campaign.

Facebook does not NEED the NRA's support, nor its members (It already HAS quite a few of its members).

The reason it's open to just their Facebook members is simple, they want more likes, and they want to make it easier to ensure that each entry is just one person. The reason it's not open to ANY NRA member? One, or both of those reasons.
 
If they are not promoting Facebook why not let all NRA members enter?

They're not "promoting Facebook" - they're promoting the NRA ON Facebook.

If their goal is to get more Facebook users to like their page then it doesn't do much good to open up outside of that.

You have to understand that all organizational promotions have a goal. They don't run contests or give away merchandise because they think it'll be fun. They do so with something in mind. They're doing this with the goal of getting more people to like their Facebook page.

Would you prefer that they just not run the contest at all? (As without that goal there would be no need to run it).
 
They're just using bait to get Facebook users to join because having them join is useful.

There are plenty of ways they bait folks to join outside of Facebook and no one considers that to be prejudicial again FB users.
 
Does anyone keep up with the news here?

Read this to start.

I absolutely detest Facebook. The sell out nature of that organization has been obvious from the get go. Are you guys aware of the shadow files they store that are a record of not only Facebook users but anyone who happens to get listed in a user account of a Facebook user. If someone you know uploads their list of contacts from Outlook then Facebook takes your name and creates a profile on you even though you have never had any contact with Facebook or given them any permission to access your data. They store your phone numbers, addresses, friends, posts on other sites, cookie tracking data, and a whole lot of invasive and private information. Facebook is insidious and because of that people are leaving it in droves.

I never thought it was a good idea to share every single thought with tens of millions of people many of which hate what I think. I see many of you have never been the victim of cyber stalking. I'm talking, "I'm coming to your house to kill you" type stuff. Well Facebook tells people like that where you live, who your family members are and who your friends are. What can possibly be good about that?

My wife joined Facebook despite my repeated warnings that she would eventually regret it. Well now she regrets it big time. Sure you can keep up with your old friends. So can the government, big businesses, political parties, extremist groups, terrorist groups, etc. etc. etc.. I learned growing up that it's best to not broadcast your business to strangers. Must be my hillbilly upbringing.

I had people stalking me on local BBS's (remember Fidonet?) long before the internet became popular. Why? Because I wasn't an America hating liberal and I didn't think it was cool to worship school mass killers. I also didn't like it that my family was accused of sleeping their way into highly desirably positions in high school. Particularly I had several family members become part of a national powerhouse cheerleading squad that won numerous national titles. When some mass murder worshiping jerk said they had to sleep with people to get those positions I took great exception to it. For my trouble my life was threatened and that wasn't even the only time.

Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to broadcast your deepest thoughts to a world full of nutcases isn't thinking right. The best thing about the net is being anonymous. I don't want Facebook tracking me and then selling my info to anyone and everyone not to mention allowing it to be hacked (which just happened last week)

Facebook is actually losing members by the millions. And the NRA should have never asked it's users to fall into the "free" advertising trap FB has set for millions of businesses and organizations. Nothing is free in this world. The price is our freedom and our privacy. Does the NRA not know that many businesses search records on the net to weed out people they think are undesirable for their political views especially when it comes to job applications? I'll decide when my name gets used, not the NRA. Using my money to lure people into that trap is terribly wrong IMO. I give them plenty of money. They should not be using it to sell out people's personal business.

Facebook will go the way of ICQ and a dozen other methods of keeping in contact. They all get greedy in the end and they change their TOS and bury the dirty parts in 50 pages of small print. You can't trust them. Not even a little bit. They WILL sell you out eventually. They always do. I've been on computer networks for almost 25 years. I've seen this happen so often it isn't even funny and it certainly isn't a surprise.
 
What is less high road?

Whining about not being able to enter a FREE GIVEAWAY because you have personal objections to the means used,

OR

Pointing out the whining about not being able to enter a FREE GIVEAWAY because someone has personal objections to the means used?

Its called marketing folks, not a new concept - nor is the venue (Facebook) that is being utilized.
 
Facebook is nothing but a data farm.
If the NRA wasn't taking advantage of the huge amount of data available there,
I'd suspect they weren't using my membership dues in the most efficient and technologically saavy way possible.
If the data is there, use it.
 
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"don't understand it, fear it! kill it!"

And THIS is why non-gun owners think we are all paranoid wack jobs . . .
 
I don't want to see Facebook die because I don't understand it. I want to see it die because I "do" understand it. And I'm not alone in my thinking. I don't want to be the data abuser either. That stuff should be private.

My wonderful county government sold information on the property tax rolls to corporations a while back. As a result I got at least 5000 calls from a company trying to sell me cheap windows. I have very high quality windows in my house but that didn't stop that company from calling as much as 6-8 times a day for years. There are reasons not to abuse databases. It wasn't until the do not call list became law that the calls from that windows company ended. There should be laws about collecting data on people who don't give their consent too. Are you guys aware that it's possible to scan certain credit cards while they're still in your pocket and from that information you can know how much money a person has available to them? And some stores use that information to run off what they consider undesirable customers. They also keep data on whether you are a problem customer who complains about things like being ripped off. Have you ever used that feature on some credit cards where you just put the card near the card reader and it scans your info without swiping the card through the regular way? One corner of the card will have a drawing that looks like radio waves being beamed out. That's because there are radio waves being beamed out from what's called RFID chips. It's the same technology they inject into pets so people can always tell who that pet belongs to. Do you know they want to inject those chips into people and some places have already started doing it? That has to be expensive technology, right? So why would they do it if they didn't think they would make their money back? Of course they wouldn't.

Data is valuable stuff. It can be used against you too in some very dangerous ways. What happens when they connect those RFID chips to Facebook accounts? Do you want some joker with a card reader deciding if you're desirable as a human or not? Doctors already try to withhold medical care from gun owners in some places. As gun owners we are often targeted as wackos by the media and by their army of sycophants. Do you want to be followed around by a dime store security guard because they know you have a CCW? That's the sort of things you need to worry about. The whole point of carrying concealed is being able to carry without irrational types freaking out about it.

We have to fight this kind of privacy invasion tooth and nail IMO. And Facebook is the worst. They can do a lot of damage to the NRA. If your name appears on the list of people who "like" the NRA how long will it be before some mall cop treats you like John Dillinger just for being in "his" mall? This is very dangerous stuff and we should never go along willingly. It's not a matter of "if" it will happen. It's already starting. Why collect all that data in the first place? The gubmit will know who you are and what you think and so will every corporation with the money to pony up to buy into the system. Then there's the hackers who can steal your identity or just your credit card numbers. Tell me that won't happen. It's already happened to my wife TWICE. Her card was scanned at the same gas station and her number was stolen and the scanner I'm talking about was an illegal scanner stuck inside a gas pump to hijack card numbers. Again this sort of thing is already happening.
 
I have a FaceBook page and spend more time there than I do here. I have had that page since YaHoo!360 closed down. I get my news feeds through FaceBook,keep up with my family(MANY I met for the first time BECAUSE of FB),my graduating class,MOST of the members of my church and many people who just share my opinions and "likes". I am also a lifemember of the NRA(and so is my wife,who also has a FB page). You get to choose what newsfeeds you get. You don't want the newsfeed from the NRA-ILA? Don't accept it,you can control EVERYTHING that comes to your page and that also includes who can see your page,likes,forwards,etc. FaceBook is an EXCELLENT way to reach people of all ages who may not otherwise be exposed to our(the NRA)existance and purpose. For the record,I'm 60 years old and my wife is 52.
 
Wow.....i see a lot of fear mongering in this thread....


Facebook doesnt "harvest" your information and compile it in a data base for "THE MAN".......facebook only knows what information you tell it......

if you dont want anyone to know your phone number....dont post it to facebook.

if you dont want anyone to know you like Ford Mustangs or Sam Adams beer....dont post it to Facebook.

if you dont want anyone to see the pictures of you at your 31st birth day....dont post it to facebook.

see a trend?.....its pretty simple, and it doesnt just apply to Facebook, it applies to all of the internet.


goodness, reading this thread reminds me of when they came out with margarine to replace butter.....and all the old timers were making wild accusations about how it was molecularly similar to plastic and how it will cause cancer and all that mumbo jumbo.

everyone just needs to take a deep breath in and relax, there is no boogie man, there are no black helicopters, and no one is out to get you.....
 
Anti-Facebook and Anti-NRA sentiment converge in one thread. My Impotent Rage Meter cannae tae nae mar!


Oh and:

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Archaic said:
"don't understand it, fear it! kill it!"

And THIS is why non-gun owners think we are all paranoid wack jobs . . .


Well we're not ALL paranoid wack jobs.......but there doesn't seem to be any shortage of them amongst our ranks.


And this is why it's so hard for us to get anything done.....they just do not work and play well with others.
 
Facebook doesnt "harvest" your information and compile it in a data base for "THE MAN".......facebook only knows what information you tell it......

I see you didn't read the articles about the shadow files Facebook keeps on people who aren't even members of Facebook. You don't have to give them your phone number or email address or contact list. They find it and create it without you ever having any contact with them. If you don't know that you just haven't been watching the news lately friend. Again, read this article:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/righ...ofiles-probably-one-don-t-even-184513398.html

Then read this one:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...ose-government-security-requests-8655297.html

Here's a quote from the first article. It's not from some wacko site. It's from ZDNet.

"Facebook has been compiling information on many of its users, and even on people who don’t have Facebook accounts, ZDNET reports."

Read it again. They are collecting information on people who don't even have accounts. I don't know how much more simple it gets than that. This has been all over the news. It's also been all over the news that they are sharing information with the government.

This isn't an anti-Facebook board so I'm done here. I don't care if you want to live with your head in the sand friend but I know what I'm talking about. I worked in the industry for over 25 years. I know database engineers that collect data from widely scattered sources and compile it into a single database that contains all sorts of information. That's the person who taught me computers back in 1984. He's been the lead data security expert for some very large corporations. I made my living doing this stuff for a very long time. But my qualifications don't prove anything. Just read the articles. If they aren't enough I can find thousands more. Data collection is a science very few people can comprehend because of it's scope. Just wishing won't change that. Just denying it won't make it go away. My gosh I can't believe you don't know about this stuff. I'll finish by posting some links to articles that explain what shadow profiles are. That's the data Facebook is storing on people without their knowledge or consent.

http://www.zdnet.com/firm-facebooks-shadow-profiles-are-frightening-dossiers-on-everyone-7000017199/

"Facebook is compiling "frightening" dossiers on everyone possible, including people without Facebook accounts."

http://www.komando.com/tips/index.a...e=totd&utm_content=2013-07-01-article-1-end-b

"Shadow profiles" sound like something from a spy thriller movie, but they're very real. It's hidden data that Facebook stores about you that you didn't provide."

If you need more examples there are plenty of them. Just do a Google search.
 
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