Nuke all Muslims

[LawDog]

"Nuke all Muslims" Posts

Derek Zeanah is the system administrator for The High Road. It is his server that THR is hosted on, it's his bandwidth we're using, and he's one of the ones who fixes THR when it goes down.

I've never met the man in person, but I consider him to be a friend of mine.

Derek Zeanah is a devout Muslim.

Those who advocate "nuking all Muslims" or "wiping out Islam" are threatening a friend of mine.

And folks, I have a very serious problem with those who threaten my friends.

It may just be me, but I don't think that someone who opines that we need to wipe out the entire Muslim faith should be using a Muslim's bandwidth, server or hardware to do so.

It's just kind of smacks of theft, to be using the property of a Muslim to call for the theocracide of his entire religion.

And besides, if you're out to get rid of the entire Church if Islam, you're morally bound not to be supporting one of its children by bipping about on his server/bandwidth.

So. I tell you what: not only am I going to cover my buddy's back, I am going to help those advocating the destruction of an entire religion make the proper, if difficult, moral decision.

I understand that people need to vent. Have at it.

Stop short of calling for the destruction of the Muslim religion.

You want vengeance against those animals that did this act? Sound off all you want.

You opine that we need to nuke all ragheads? Goodbye. You don't need to be stealing my Muslim buddy's bandwidth or time.

This is not up for debate, folks.

LawDog

 

[Preacherman]

I'd like to second Lawdog's take on this. I am as opposed to the Osama bin Ladens of this world as anyone else, and if he crossed my gunsights, I'd be the first to pull the trigger - but that's not because of his religion: rather, it's because of his actions.

I literally owe my life to Muslim friends who got me out of hairy situations in South Africa on more than one occasion, and I guess they could say the same for my assistance to them on other occasions. I have the highest respect for any God-fearing, faithful Muslim, and it offends me to hear some speak of "nuking" or killing them as if they're all terrorists.

Let's think before posting, please, folks...

 

[4v50 Gary]

Concur. Radical Islam should be distinguished other forms of Islam.

 

[Don Gwinn]

And remember that when Ian is not here, the rest of us are.

 

[Bruce H]

It is never the idea it is the person who preverts the idea for their own ends. It is also easier to rant about the idea than the person or persons. People are far more dangerous than the idea. Well said Lawdog simple and no room for confusion.

 

[Michigander]

Very well said, LawDog.

Calling for the eradication of any race or religion cannot be considered "taking the high road."

 

[B27]

I work both for and with resident alien Iranians and Syrians everyday and have been for the last seven years.
Every one of them is working on gaining their citizenship.
Every one of them is a muslim.
Every one of them is sickened and saddened at what some are doing under color of their religion.
They, and their wives and children, are some of the finest people I have ever met.

If I knew of anyone meaning them harm, they would have to get by me first.

 

[fjolnirsson]

It's a sad thing that people need to be told this.
One would hope not to have such issues on a site called THE HIGH ROAD.
It isn't the religion, it's the radicals.
I'm glad I haven't seen any such posts personally.

(Edited to add):
Ok, I've seen the posts. And I am appalled. Very sad.

 

[Stand_Watie]

I have no idea which thread inspired this post, but I'm sure there was one. I hope our Muslim gunnie members won't think that such an opinion is typical of us.

Four moderators have weighed in so far, so I thought I'd throw a "newbie" post in for balance...I wholly concur with the sentiments expressed above.

 

[buy guns]

some of the nicest people ive met are muslims.

 

[MaterDei]

In my line of work (software development) I work with many Muslims, many of whom I like and respect. They are probably very typical Muslims. However, let's be clear about something; Islam is radical by western standards. It is a fact that the Koran says that killing infidels is an obligation for all Muslims. If Mr. Zeanah, or any other Muslim for that matter, can overlook this obligation and live in peace with non-Muslims than good on him and them. Let's give the credit to those like him who resist their religion's call for bloodshed, though, and not pretend that Islam is the religion of peace.

Obviously statements like "nuke all Muslims" are hateful and wrong and they are clearly not the words used by those taking the high road.

Michael

 

[Firethorn]

[extremist mode on]
Nuke the whole area!
[extremist mode off]

Seriously, I've known good muslims as well. It's just, well, when I see the groups celebrating the deaths of americans, I see red. I'd be alot happier if I didn't keep seeing the 'moderate' mullahs screaming for death and destruction of america, of the USA.

In the front of my mind I know that not all are like that, but the back of my mind screams at the thing's I've seen. It's not any worse than what christians did a few hundred years ago, but this is now.

My apologies if my fondness for high explosives gets the better of me occasionally. That and I'm still red-hot over Berg's death.

 

[aikidoka-mks]

I agree LawDog

Mark

 

[TheBluesMan]

Yet another vote of confidence for th' 'Dog from yet another staff member.

Please step away from the wide paintbrush!

 

[El Tejon]

Muslims are my neighbors, friends, colleagues and clients. Hitler was a Christian. Seems to me that not every professed _________ lives up their religious ideal.

The ill-considered comments of a 14 year old with a keyboard or a 30 year old with an 8th grade education who speaks the inane drivel Lawdog cites sits bloated in his suburban home without any world experience or education. This drivel does not reflect the vast majority of THR or the USA and accomplishes nothing.

Let the 14 year olds go elsewhere. There will be no nuking. I pray to my God that there will only be bullets individually delivered by Americans raised in the gun culture.

Focus your anger on what you can accomplish.

 

[Sarge111]

This ain't hard to figure out...

Good Americans aren't for the annihilation of all worshippers of Islam, or the maltreatment of Muslim POW's- and as the last week has shown, we have made a national passtime out of saying so at the top of our lungs. We have no problem whatsoever punishing our own, when they violate these precepts.

Conversly, 'good' Muslims cannot advocate the annihilation of all Christians, Jews, etc., or the maltreatment of POW's of those faiths. Good Muslims should also have no problem whatsoever speaking out against their own, or punishing their own, when they violate these precepts.

Let each side be judged by their actions- but our side must win, regardless.

It's time to draw some lines in the sand, and then bomb, strafe and shell the hell out of everything on the other side of them. And I don't particularly care who it offends, to just come right out and say it.

 

[dischord]

Hear-hear, LawDog!

 

[MacPelto]

It's a sad thing that people need to be told this.
One would hope not to have such issues on a site called THE HIGH ROAD.

Well said, and true whether the sys admin is muslim or not.

 

[Mulliga]

Here's another vote of support.

Definitely reminds me of people painting other minorities with a wide brush.

 

[Stand_Watie]

Muslims are my neighbors, friends, colleagues and clients. Hitler was a Christian. Seems to me that not every professed _________ lives up their religious ideal

Yeah. That's very well said.

 

[R.H. Lee]

What strikes me most is the contrast between the hand wringing over the "torture scandal" and the outrage over the beheading in today's news.
The former causes us guilt and self-doubt, and the latter increases our resolve and anger, although the threat remains the same. It seems we are easily manipulated, me included.

Bear in mind that each one of us has a good amount of deadly force under our direct control. Way more than the "average" American. And along with that firepower comes a responsibility to think and act with restraint. Sure, we are outraged. And angry. And we should be. It is not rational, however, to blame an entire group for the actions of a few. Perversion of religion is nothing new. Evil men have been committing evil deeds in God's name since the beginning of time. To my mind, these people no more represent Islam than those who blow up Family Planning Centers or murder abortion doctors represent Christianity.

Thanks for the reminder to keep it on The High Road.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

I was almost afraid to log on to this because I have expected to see all sorts of knee jerk reactions about the terrible things that are happening in Iraq. This thread shows that there are an awful lot of intelligent, thoughtful gun owners. Thanks Lawdog.

 

[Carlos]

Lawdog, it needed to be said.

When I first fled to this board from another, I first dealt with Derek through the Buy & Sell Board. I got a great deal and Derek was quick to ship. Proved himself an honorable man. Anyway,

At the other board, I met a friend who lived 2500 miles away at the time. He was thinking about moving to Portland, Oregon, as he just graduated, but had job offers all over the country. Looking for yet another shooting buddy, I encouraged him to move to Portland, which he did on his own accord, I'm sure.

Anyway, my shooting buddy is an Muslim and I respect that. In fact, I read the Koran once over shortly thereafter. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't killing infidels come into play if your Mosque is compromised? I'll need to read that again.

This man is a delightful intelligent person to know and we shoot in the rain, snow, mud, sleet, sun, typical Oregon "daily" weather, or the indoor range, for the last 2.5 years or so.

This man goes and gets married to a good Muslim woman he knew back in his hometown, and they got Married in Pakistan in the past 6-7 months. She is a beautiful, shy, extremely intelligent person, who is getting into firearms, too.

Their parents came from the Middle East, moved to the United States and developed highly successful careers, raised children in the United States, who went on to be American professionals.

I would fly this man's wing anytime. He's a true friend.

Yes folks, it's not the religion, but the person who misinterprets and turns into an abomination.

Islam is not evil.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PSEUDO ISLAMIC FOLKS OUT THERE THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH; AND, THAT MEANS CERTAIN DEATH, which would be much more quick and efficient if we let the sovereign populace deal with it in their tongue and tradition. We have equal scum in this country that needs to be dealt with on our soil.

I would die to protect my Islamic friend's back. He's fully capable in the gun arena.

God IS Great!!!

 

[GigaBuist]

Thanks LawDog. I about lost faith reading the "beheading" thread earlier. Well, faith in THR that is.

If I may, can we take a moment to find a term for .... whatever these guys are? I see terms that combine radical or extreme with Muslim and Islam at the same time.

It's not that I'm concerned with offending the group of extreme/radical Muslim terrorists that we''re all talking about from time to time -- I just don't want to offend any of the NON-extremeist/radical Muslim non-terrorist folks out there.

A good clear, concise, term that's non-offensive to non-enemy's would be preferred. Perhaps our SysOp can weigh on this one.

 

[BryanP]

I saw the title of this thread and thought "Aw man, here we go again." Then I noticed it was started by Lawdog ??? What the? It can't be what it looks like ... and it's not.

I will admit that there are times I let my temper get the best of me when I see what's happening over there, but I try to keep it under control as best I can.

Thanks for saying this Lawdog. It needed to be said.