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(You beat me to it.)
WALKERs210
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The writing was on the wall. Not by choice but in the last few guns I have purchased were from a Gun/Pawn shop so it was connecting my ownership and the firearm. Thank God I live in Alabama, but still see this as just one step heading for a Giant leap.
yzguy87
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Situations like this prove that it's a question of when, not if.
Now that we know what's happening, what are you going to do about it?
Are you just going stand around and talk about "stand and fight" and other feel good slogans or are you going to really stand and fight by loading your guns and really excersing your 2nd Ammendment right in its original meaning when some corrupt politician passes an unconstitutional law that affects you personally?
RTKBA has nothing to do with sport, hunting or any other activity but protection. Crap like this makes my blood boil. Not because there are people who want to take our rights away, but there are a bunch of people who willing to talk about stuff but when something happens they don't do a darn freakin thing but sit back and watch some over-educated idiot sit behind a desk with a political title legislate their rights away
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Now that we know what's happening, what are you going to do about it?
Are you just going stand around and talk about "stand and fight" and other feel good slogans or are you going to really stand and fight by loading your guns and really excersing your 2nd Ammendment right in its original meaning when some corrupt politician passes an unconstitutional law that affects you personally?
RTKBA has nothing to do with sport, hunting or any other activity but protection. Crap like this makes my blood boil. Not because there are people who want to take our rights away, but there are a bunch of people who willing to talk about stuff but when something happens they don't do a darn freakin thing but sit back and watch some over-educated idiot sit behind a desk with a political title legislate their rights away
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Situations like this prove that it's a question of if, not when.
Now that we know what's happening, what are you going to do about it?
Are you just going stand around and talk about "stand and fight" and other feel good slogans or are you going to really stand and fight by loading your guns and really excersing your 2nd Ammendment right in its original meaning when some corrupt politician passes an unconstitutional law that affects you personally?
RTKBA has nothing to do with sport, hunting or any other activity but protection. Crap like this makes my blood boil. Not because there are people who want to take our rights away, but there are a bunch of people who willing to talk about stuff but when something happens they don't do a darn freakin thing but sit back and watch some over-educated idiot sit behind a desk with a political title legislate their rights away
so you suggest killing politicians instead of educating and voting. Sorry but we are no where near needing to do that.
No offense, but it is post like that, that hurt us more than anything. Most people are on the fence with guns and a little rational education by us will go a long way to changing their minds and their votes. It is so frustrating to see people hurt our cause like that.
People that talk like nuts push those people the other way. Heck, I love guns, but even I don't want to be associated with idiots that promote killing politicians
Well they would need some local support or understanding to physically stand against them.
The average NYC resident would be supportive of the anti gun efforts.
The mayor would be. And the police there have been living under an anti gun authoritarian system so long they wouldn't feel like they are doing anything wrong.
I wouldn't be entirely sad if they raided a home of someone on the list and everyone involved didn't make it out of the booby trapped place though.
A single incident may merely be countered with a morality boost and raiding with stronger presence, but multiple would reduce morale and create reluctance to be involved in raids.
Of course it also sacrifices the life of the resident whether they die in the raid or are put to death/ imprisoned forever after trial.
MErl said:
But that is how they operate, they create a system of laws to create justification to remove the rights they dislike.
If the Feds say they cannot ban the right outright, the anti gun regimes add reducing who can exercise the right to their anti gun strategy banning more of the people from having the right they wish didn't exist.
And don't forget how they operate in some parts of the world, intentionally outlawing some things they expect much of the population to do so they can have something over anyone, and then selectively enforcing those laws against certain individuals to turn them into criminals.
That is how many authoritarian systems work. They are still just depriving 'criminals' of liberty.
The average NYC resident would be supportive of the anti gun efforts.
The mayor would be. And the police there have been living under an anti gun authoritarian system so long they wouldn't feel like they are doing anything wrong.
I wouldn't be entirely sad if they raided a home of someone on the list and everyone involved didn't make it out of the booby trapped place though.
A single incident may merely be countered with a morality boost and raiding with stronger presence, but multiple would reduce morale and create reluctance to be involved in raids.
Of course it also sacrifices the life of the resident whether they die in the raid or are put to death/ imprisoned forever after trial.
MErl said:
But that is how they operate, they create a system of laws to create justification to remove the rights they dislike.
If the Feds say they cannot ban the right outright, the anti gun regimes add reducing who can exercise the right to their anti gun strategy banning more of the people from having the right they wish didn't exist.
And don't forget how they operate in some parts of the world, intentionally outlawing some things they expect much of the population to do so they can have something over anyone, and then selectively enforcing those laws against certain individuals to turn them into criminals.
That is how many authoritarian systems work. They are still just depriving 'criminals' of liberty.
Hardtarget
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Well, I have to say, we've tried the education route. We've seen the educators and the education system get more and More and MORE liberal and anti gun every year.
We've tried the ballot box. Every time we send a new <liar> to office...they talk the talk(until they get elected) but they NEVER walk the walk.
I'm just getting tired. And that sad because that is exactly what the anti gun crowd is hoping for
Mark
We've tried the ballot box. Every time we send a new <liar> to office...they talk the talk(until they get elected) but they NEVER walk the walk.
I'm just getting tired. And that sad because that is exactly what the anti gun crowd is hoping for
Mark
I am not talking about the school system, I am talking about getting the masses out to the range. Taking that hunter at your office who doesn't know about ARs out actually shooting one. Taking that single mother who keeps a revolver locked up "just in case" and teacher her why background checks and mag limits won't work. We, as "passionate" gun owners have to educate the people in the middle, which is the majority. Most people are not against guns and most people don't want to come take them. Most people are uneducated on guns.
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Oh yeah, this is the next little increment but the only way to stop it in NY is in the courts. Pretty obvious the ballot box is not going to work there. Now we have another group of people obviously harmed by a law that can sue.
I think this will do harm to the overall registration push. It is easier to justify taking a 45 handgun from someone under a restraining order (CA) than taking a .22 bolt action rifle from an otherwise honest citizen (NY).
TennJed said:
In some enlightened places they try to counter this too. Making it unlawful or difficult outside of exemptions to handle guns without already having a license. Someone on the fence or brainwashed anti but possible to convert is not going to obtain a difficult license that costs money to partake in an activity that sounds scary and foreign.
Some ranges in NYC don't even let unlicensed people shoot, and gun stores don't let unlicensed people handle or check out guns many places.
This helps reduce the spread of the undesirable gun culture and strengthen anti-gun efforts.
In some enlightened places they try to counter this too. Making it unlawful or difficult outside of exemptions to handle guns without already having a license. Someone on the fence or brainwashed anti but possible to convert is not going to obtain a difficult license that costs money to partake in an activity that sounds scary and foreign.
Some ranges in NYC don't even let unlicensed people shoot, and gun stores don't let unlicensed people handle or check out guns many places.
This helps reduce the spread of the undesirable gun culture and strengthen anti-gun efforts.
Impureclient
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The only gun owners who aren't freaking out right now and calling for others to remain clam are the ones who aren't affected by this.
Watching this quickly escalate over the small time frame I've been alive is scary. Kind of wonder if any older Jewish folks are getting dejavu.
Watching this quickly escalate over the small time frame I've been alive is scary. Kind of wonder if any older Jewish folks are getting dejavu.
Fair enough, but would you not consider it wiser to move from New York to somewhere like Mississippi for instance, where it is not that bad, or go shoot up town hall.
Taking up arms is an absurd thing to say. In many places in the country gun ownership is not that bad. If you want action and people to do more than talk, then be rational. Pack your bags and move. That is a lot easier than spending life in jail
What would make more sense and have a higher probability of working. Everyone that is fed up starts killing folks or they all moving to gun friendly places? Heck most of the more gun friendly states have a lot of open spaces and land is fairly cheap. People can act instead of talk, just don't act stupid
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Tinman357
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Why are we as American citizens sitting still for this? What have I done? Nothing. Got mad, cursed their names, shook my fist at the computer screen.
I don't know what to do that would have any real effect. I've written letters, e-mail, phone calls, to congress persons and senators. I live in WA state. Can I as an individual have any effect in NY?
What can we as a group do to stop this creeping bio-hazard before it gets out of NY?
I don't know what to do that would have any real effect. I've written letters, e-mail, phone calls, to congress persons and senators. I live in WA state. Can I as an individual have any effect in NY?
What can we as a group do to stop this creeping bio-hazard before it gets out of NY?
JTHunter
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To paraphrase that old joke - -"If it brays and has long ears like a jack@$$, then it is probably a jack@$$!!" 
Or how about that old teen poster from the early 70's?
"Just because you ARE paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T out to 'get you'!!
This applies to all politicians/bureaucrats however. Remember the movire "Hunt for Red October" in 1990? Remember the scene where Baldwin/Ryan makes a presentation to the Sect. of Defense, Richard Jordan? He gave the perfect definition of a politician.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crCp1nA-G6M
Or how about that old teen poster from the early 70's?
"Just because you ARE paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T out to 'get you'!!
This applies to all politicians/bureaucrats however. Remember the movire "Hunt for Red October" in 1990? Remember the scene where Baldwin/Ryan makes a presentation to the Sect. of Defense, Richard Jordan? He gave the perfect definition of a politician.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crCp1nA-G6M
The January 15th deadline to balance the federal budget is growing near. It was only postponed last month until after the Holidays. My take is we are in for a wild ride. The possibility of the Fed running out of money and not paying the millions of Federal employees is a reality, at which point the govt "some of them" wanted to be able to take away our weapons in case they had to declare Martial law. "This is just an opinion", Taking away guns is a smart thing to do when you plan on making a power play.
Doubters may disagree, buy IMO they are testing the water now, before it becomes real.
We all go about our daily lives with the expectation that this kind of thing can't happen here.
When out "paper" gets downgraded to junk status, "because we can't pay back out debt's, it could be a catastrophic disaster, especially now that Dems. are distancing themselves from the President.
Don't think it can't happen here.
Doubters may disagree, buy IMO they are testing the water now, before it becomes real.
We all go about our daily lives with the expectation that this kind of thing can't happen here.
When out "paper" gets downgraded to junk status, "because we can't pay back out debt's, it could be a catastrophic disaster, especially now that Dems. are distancing themselves from the President.
Don't think it can't happen here.
50 Shooter
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Tenn,
How many times do you plan on moving? What happens when you don't have any more places to move to? What would it take for YOU to reach your limit?
If you were told to "turn in your guns Mr. & Mrs. America" or go to jail, what would you do? Turn them in or go to jail? And don't give me some lame ass answer like "I lost all my guns in a boating accident"!
I've pretty much known for a long time that if this happend, I would be one of the few standing there with guns in hand ready to die to keep this from happening. So, where is your line in the sand on gun control? A lot of our efforts haven't done much and states controlled by Dems (like CA) are going to stay that way for the foreseeable future.
Plus, telling people that they should up and move all they time is just ignorant. Do you really think people can just move their families, find a new job, insert another stupid idea. When the state passes something they don't like?
How many times do you plan on moving? What happens when you don't have any more places to move to? What would it take for YOU to reach your limit?
If you were told to "turn in your guns Mr. & Mrs. America" or go to jail, what would you do? Turn them in or go to jail? And don't give me some lame ass answer like "I lost all my guns in a boating accident"!
I've pretty much known for a long time that if this happend, I would be one of the few standing there with guns in hand ready to die to keep this from happening. So, where is your line in the sand on gun control? A lot of our efforts haven't done much and states controlled by Dems (like CA) are going to stay that way for the foreseeable future.
Plus, telling people that they should up and move all they time is just ignorant. Do you really think people can just move their families, find a new job, insert another stupid idea. When the state passes something they don't like?
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This is insane.
I know they have proposed bills to severly limit firearm ownership except LEO, retired LEO and some former military.
The Soviets did this when they gained power. They said to LEO/retired LEO and former Military "if you do not get involved when we confiscate guns, we will let you keep yours" so they sat idle why the population was stripped. Then after, they said "Alright, come in to register yourself and your guns" and when the retired LEO's and military showed up, the Soviets just had them shot.
Here is an article explaining this, and encouraging Americans to not surrender their weapons explaining why. This is by Pravda, the former main paper of the Soviet Union.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/
I know they have proposed bills to severly limit firearm ownership except LEO, retired LEO and some former military.
The Soviets did this when they gained power. They said to LEO/retired LEO and former Military "if you do not get involved when we confiscate guns, we will let you keep yours" so they sat idle why the population was stripped. Then after, they said "Alright, come in to register yourself and your guns" and when the retired LEO's and military showed up, the Soviets just had them shot.
Here is an article explaining this, and encouraging Americans to not surrender their weapons explaining why. This is by Pravda, the former main paper of the Soviet Union.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/
yzguy87
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45 Bravo, welcome th THR!
For the record:
I am NOT advocating someone just kill another person, politician or not, just because they have an opposite view than me. And I am well aware that education works.
HOWEVER, the 2nd Amendment was put in place for a reason... and it wasn't just so we could by a gun, take it to the range and have some fun.
I have heard people refer to there guns as tools, even here on THR. If we have no intention of using our firearms the way the 2nd Ammendment has guaranteed us to, then our guns are no more than range toys.
I doubt the people that would/could be sent to confiscate your guns would be open to wait on a recall vote on the decision that was made to take away guns. I also doubt they'd be open to any sort of education on the matter.
Some people don't care about facts, all they care about is turning our great nation into something it was never intended to be. And I have a major problem with that.
"But that is how they operate, they create a system of laws to create justification to remove the rights they dislike.
If the Feds say they cannot ban the right outright, the anti gun regimes add reducing who can exercise the right to their anti gun strategy banning more of the people from having the right they wish didn't exist."-Zoogster
Correct! Lookout mental health issues! There was a commercial broadcast a while back about mental health issues. There were people; iirc a doctor, small business owner, and a construction worker and a few more, who said they suffered from mental health issues like depression and other common things people experience in life. IMO this will be an avenue where "anti's" will say we have mental health issues so we can't own guns. I could be wrong about that but with a huge push lately to look at mental health, I could see this being exploited to hurt us.
For the record:
I am NOT advocating someone just kill another person, politician or not, just because they have an opposite view than me. And I am well aware that education works.
HOWEVER, the 2nd Amendment was put in place for a reason... and it wasn't just so we could by a gun, take it to the range and have some fun.
I have heard people refer to there guns as tools, even here on THR. If we have no intention of using our firearms the way the 2nd Ammendment has guaranteed us to, then our guns are no more than range toys.
I doubt the people that would/could be sent to confiscate your guns would be open to wait on a recall vote on the decision that was made to take away guns. I also doubt they'd be open to any sort of education on the matter.
Some people don't care about facts, all they care about is turning our great nation into something it was never intended to be. And I have a major problem with that.
"But that is how they operate, they create a system of laws to create justification to remove the rights they dislike.
If the Feds say they cannot ban the right outright, the anti gun regimes add reducing who can exercise the right to their anti gun strategy banning more of the people from having the right they wish didn't exist."-Zoogster
Correct! Lookout mental health issues! There was a commercial broadcast a while back about mental health issues. There were people; iirc a doctor, small business owner, and a construction worker and a few more, who said they suffered from mental health issues like depression and other common things people experience in life. IMO this will be an avenue where "anti's" will say we have mental health issues so we can't own guns. I could be wrong about that but with a huge push lately to look at mental health, I could see this being exploited to hurt us.
Tread carefully folks.
We all know what the 2nd amendment is for. Now is not the time to be talking about the end-game in public, and when that time comes, public forums on the Internet certainly aren't a suitable place to discuss such matters openly.
We're still a LONG way off from that.
What is happening in New York is horrible. People are going to have to stand up for themselves, go to jail, go to court, and let the judges work this out. We have great precedents in place already with Supreme Court rulings; NY SAFE act and these city ordinances don't stand a snowballs chance in hades of sticking around forever.
Hell, look at the beating Chicago gun grabbers have taken in Illinois this year.
We've turned the tide, be patient, but exceptionally vocal, and contribute monetarily to the organizations which are funding the lawsuits against the state. 400K and counting has been spent fighting these insane laws in court, and it's far from over.
Victory isn't certain, but it's probable, and every bit you can spare will help the cause.
We all know what the 2nd amendment is for. Now is not the time to be talking about the end-game in public, and when that time comes, public forums on the Internet certainly aren't a suitable place to discuss such matters openly.
We're still a LONG way off from that.
What is happening in New York is horrible. People are going to have to stand up for themselves, go to jail, go to court, and let the judges work this out. We have great precedents in place already with Supreme Court rulings; NY SAFE act and these city ordinances don't stand a snowballs chance in hades of sticking around forever.
Hell, look at the beating Chicago gun grabbers have taken in Illinois this year.
We've turned the tide, be patient, but exceptionally vocal, and contribute monetarily to the organizations which are funding the lawsuits against the state. 400K and counting has been spent fighting these insane laws in court, and it's far from over.
Victory isn't certain, but it's probable, and every bit you can spare will help the cause.
First off, moving is more ignorant than starting a war against the government? Really? Think about that for a minute. You said people can't move their families or start a new job, but they can go militia on the government? You are honestly trying to say shooting up the government is easier on your family and job than moving, when there are PLENTY of gun friendly places to move? Which makes more sense? Actually think about that. If you compare the 2 it is only absurd to think starting a war against the government is more effective when most of the country is pro-gun. You are a fool to think otherwise. That is textbook insanity
As far as what happens WHEN you run out of places to move or IF I was told to turn in my guns, well you need to quit fear mongering and acting ignorant. The vast majority of America is not New York and California. In case you missed it with your tin foil hat on, we shot down the recent proposals for AWB, capacity limits, and background checks. We won those battles from a national level. We are winning on a national level. You are going to honestly try to tell me that shooting up the government is the best course of action?
You asked me when would I teach my limit? When the majority if the country is like New Your and Cali I will be right there with you fighting, but it is not even close to that
Most of the country is still a great place to live. Your argument about running out of places to move is based on ignorant fear mongering that is alarming to be honest. When the majority of the country is moving's in the direction of pro-gun, you let a few areas and some absurd tin foil reporting think we should declare war
Gun ownership is at its peak. National pushes to increase gun laws are failing. We can't keep ammo on the shelf. We have a liberal president but still can't pass any national gun laws. More and more people are buying guns, ARs and so-called high capacity guns are selling like crazy. We are making progress. If you will stay off the fear mongering websites you will realize we can win doing what we are doing. Don't give me this "run out of places to move" crap. Be intelligent and make the right choices and we can win. Don't let some idiot blogger convince you we are doomed because NY is bad and we should start a war. That hurts all of us and shows that you will fall for anything you read.
I am sorry and apologize if this comes across harsh, but it really is absurd to start talking and acting like a lunatic WHEN WE ARE MAKING POSITIVE GROUND already. Yes the POTUS is dangerous, but even with him, WE ARE WINNING. quit making it worse by being sheep to the extremist idiots. You will be the reason we lose, because of your ignorant rhetoric
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