NY starts confiscating guns from registrations

[Warp]

Using special characters to bypass the word filter is a big no-no. ^

I'd fix that.

 

[Speedo66]

I remember from the late 1980's that there were 1500 NYC residents that had FFLs and between them owned 2000 automatic weapons. The regime passed a decree that said you have 6 months to surrender them or get them out of state.

Can you document there being 2000 automatic weapons in private hands in NYS in the 80's? I'm having a hard time with that, FFL or not.

 

[itsa pain]

Like I said, I'd say we are in line to win the war in Colorado.

Bush didn't sign an AWB. That's factual reality.

The recent landmark SCOTUS 2A cases have gone our way, and congress has refused to put an AWB or anything else Hussein asked for on his desk. That says 2/3 of our branches are not wanting to turn the 2A into a distant memory. That's factual reality.

bush was in favor of extending the AWB it was the gop led house and senate that made him sunset it. he was like his father a blueblood Rockefeller country club gop guy

 

[Pete D.]

I live in NYC. Don't get me wrong....I agree with the analysis of the problems of gun rights in NYC and In NYS.
I also like for important ideas to be stated accurately.
The original subject line for this thread "NY starts confiscating guns from registrations" is not accurate. It is an overstatement of what is happening. Saying that does not mean that I agree with the actions of the State or the City. I surely do not.
(I own a number of pistols and shotguns. I shoot at a private range in a residential area. It is a five block walk from my home to the range. I am usually there at least twice a week.)

What gun owners are directed to do is to make a choice (a choice that they should not have to make).....have the capacity of the gun altered so that the firearm cannot hold more than five rounds, remove it from the city, or turn it in. AFAIK, no guns have been confiscated.....which is not the impression one gets from reading the subject of this thread.

 

[Jaxondog]

It isn't just the politicians that need to voted out, the media needs to be replaced as well. The media actually came out against black powder guns. The media called it a "loophole".


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=5714222

" Eyewitness News went undercover at Dicks Sporting Goods store in Upstate New York and with less information than is needed to borrow a library book, we bought a 50-caliber black powder hunting rifle. We just counted out the cash, about $200 and walked away with a brand new, highly powerful weapon.

So, 10 minutes inside this store, I was able to get a gun identical to the one the St. John's student had. I got this with no questions asked, no background check, no identification needed -- all perfectly legal. Let's make no mistake, this isn't a toy, it's a very lethal weapon. "


What is the term for this? Yellow Journalism ? And this wasn't a recent story either, it dates back six years ago.

 

[krupparms]

As there are no reports of GUN CONFISCATION in Cal. or N.Y. anywhere on the news or net, I think this thread is missleading. Maybe this is something that should be checked up on! As this action lead to a revolution. That would probably leed to the same action again! What we need to be looking at is the government making up new classes of prohibited people! That is how the Wiemer Republic was destroyed & let a tyranny come to power! Thanks to Pete we now have a more accurate picture of what is really going on & you can address that instead of argueing over something that's not happened.Happy Holidays to all.

 

[itsa pain]

As there are no reports of GUN CONFISCATION in Cal. or N.Y. anywhere on the news or net, I think this thread is missleading. Maybe this is something that should be checked up on! As this action lead to a revolution. That would probably leed to the same action again! What we need to be looking at is the government making up new classes of prohibited people! That is how the Wiemer Republic was destroyed & let a tyranny come to power! Thanks to Pete we now have a more accurate picture of what is really going on & you can address that instead of argueing over something that's not happened.Happy Holidays to all.

It is easy to see you were police. They have been taking weapons in Cal. off guys that had arguments with their wives and inventing reasons due to made up mental issues. They have a task force set up for it. That takes 2 seconds to google. Most militias are infiltrated by informants and I would never join one that has "former" police in it

 

[DSling]

+1^^

The issue isn't as simple as you think. Everything is based on the media and entertainment. When people are young they more closely relate to the liberals. As they get older they start to understand that it isn't as simple as save the environment, stop world hunger, peace in the middle east, etc but that there is a juggling act to balance what you have with what you have with what you want to do.
The entertainment industry is a distraction for the masses.

 

[cocon]

Gun Bans

Please do not allow the few dishonest politicians from sending your gun legislation the way of the UK. We sat on the fence and look what happened to us. The banning of firearms is a fair pointer that things are going wrong with the economy and that society is going to face some very tough times indeed.

 

[Midwest]

As there are no reports of GUN CONFISCATION in Cal. or N.Y. anywhere on the news or net, I think this thread is missleading.

it has been all over the web and the news.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/11/16/3613913/state-agents-sweep-fresno.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/california-gun-confiscation-bill_n_3117238.html


And they are confiscating firearms in Illinois

"Illinois: Cook County's Gun Confiscation Squad"

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-724830.html


They also confiscated guns during Katrina

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critic...ane_Katrina#Confiscation_of_civilian_firearms

 

[krupparms]

The only news you provided is not new! And the only people they are after are prohibited by LAW from owning firearms! Let the criminals & mentally ill keep their guns! I don't believe that position will help at all. I think you missed my point! The problem is not that they are confiscating firearms from prohibited people! It's that the government can make new classes of prohibited people! As to the OP, It was made to sound as if guns were being taken from law abiding citizens. Nothing new here.

 

[Warp]

As there are no reports of GUN CONFISCATION in Cal. or N.Y. anywhere on the news or net, I think this thread is missleading.

If so, it's either because it isn't being reported or it's because the people with the targeted firearms are successfully hiding them.

Try going somewhere with a semi auto rifle with a magazine in NYC and see if they confiscate it and throw your butt in jail.

Heck, just do what I did yesterday here...put a pistol on OWB, open, and go shopping. Think it'll be confiscated in NYC? I think so.

 

[Pete D.]

Nope

The original subject line for this thread is misleading. There have been no confiscations related to those letters.
These other ideas:

Quote:
Originally Posted by krupparms
As there are no reports of GUN CONFISCATION in Cal. or N.Y. anywhere on the news or net, I think this thread is missleading.
it has been all over the web and the news.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/11/16/...ep-fresno.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3117238.html


And they are confiscating firearms in Illinois

"Illinois: Cook County's Gun Confiscation Squad"

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i.../t-724830.html


They also confiscated guns during Katrina

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...ilian_firearms

Quote:
Originally Posted by krupparms
As there are no reports of GUN CONFISCATION in Cal. or N.Y. anywhere on the news or net, I think this thread is missleading.
If so, it's either because it isn't being reported or it's because the people with the targeted firearms are successfully hiding them.

Try going somewhere with a semi auto rifle with a magazine in NYC and see if they confiscate it and throw your butt in jail.

Heck, just do what I did yesterday here...put a pistol on OWB, open, and go shopping. Think it'll be confiscated in NYC? I think so.

These two sets of ideas have little or nothing to do with the original subject line.
As to carrying a rifle in public or wearing a gun OWB in NYC....of course it would be confiscated....you'd be breaking the law. Maybe we don't like the law but until it gets changed, we operate under its rule. In any case, those examples also have little or nothing to do with the OP line.
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I am not a lawyer, I just study the history of gun control laws.

And .......specifically....

If so, it's either because it isn't being reported or it's because the people with the targeted firearms are successfully hiding them.

And you know that......how? If it isn't being reported, where did you get your info? Are those people in NY hiding their guns and then calling you and telling you?

 

[Warp]

Sorry, but that is not something we are allowed to discuss on THR.

You will have to think about it on your own.

 

[larryh1108]

Originally Posted by krupparms
As there are no reports of GUN CONFISCATION in Cal. or N.Y. anywhere on the news or net, I think this thread is missleading.

Really? Just because they aren't knocking on doors today?
Think about it, this is New York.
I can envision that in 6 months, they send registered letters to the "illegal" gun owners stating that their records show that they did not turn their "illegal guns" in. Therefore, they require proof they were sold out-of-state (Bill of Sale or FFL transfer) or permanently altered to be compliant. If they do not receive this info in a timely manner, they can and will send out Compliance Officers to make sure they are, indeed, gone. This would probably include a specific search warrant for illegal weapons.

So, if this is not a form of confiscation then we are truly playing semantics. They are denying you the right to own a perfectly legal firearm that was legal yesterday and illegal today. If you don't think NYS would go to extreme measures to confirm compliance then you have not been paying attention to what is happening in NYS. Yeah, failure to prove you've sold it or neutered it will bring a knock on your door. I'd bet on it. Don't sell the New York Gestapo short. These letters prove they aren't going to back down.

 

[gym]

That's exactly what will happen. You will get a letter and then a subpoena. Remember the Direct TV case about ten years ago, that was a private company, but they did a similar procedure, you had 30 or 60 days to hand over your equipment or got a 25 thousand dollar fine,"and that was just for hacking television". Many people actually got hit with huge fines without a shred of evidence, the case did get turned on appeal, I believe.
But this is usually the model for that kind of shake up.
Plus the way they keep records, people who aren't alive will be sent demand letters, along with people who moved of disposed of the guns.

 

[Pete D.]

Ok

Really? Just because they aren't knocking on doors today?
Think about it, this is New York.
I can envision that in 6 months, they send registered letters to the "illegal" gun owners stating that their records show that they did not turn their "illegal guns" in.

That may well be....if so, then in six months the subject line for this thread in December of 2013 will be more accurate and not misleading.
The thrust of the subject was that confiscations are happening NOW. They are not.
That is not semantics ; it is fact.
Y'know....I just want people to post facts, accurate info....I am always amazed that a group of fellows who can cite about every fact concerning the function of any number of firearms and detailed data about a gazillion different loads used in those guns....can't get some facts straight about subjects like this thread.
I live in NYC....I own guns. I am directly affected by the craziness that passes for administrative law.......that is trouble enough. I don't want to read info on these fora that is misleading. Inaccuracy does no service to anyone.

And there is this:

the media needs to be replaced as well. The media actually came out against black powder guns. The media called it a "loophole".

"The media" - quite a generality.....as written, the term encompasses ALL media, every bit and facet.
Is that what was really meant? (And don't say "you know what he means." No, I only know what he wrote.) Plus....that bit about replacing the media. Uh huh. That is what Lenin and Stalin did....controll the press so it says what you want it to say. No disagreements.
Do you really think that we would be equable and fair if we were n control....because we are the good guys?
Pete

 

[itsa pain]

That may well be....if so, then in six months the subject line for this thread in December of 2013 will be more accurate and not misleading.
The thrust of the subject was that confiscations are happening NOW. They are not.
That is not semantics ; it is fact.
Y'know....I just want people to post facts, accurate info....I am always amazed that a group of fellows who can cite about every fact concerning the function of any number of firearms and detailed data about a gazillion different loads used in those guns....can't get some facts straight about subjects like this thread.
I live in NYC....I own guns. I am directly affected by the craziness that passes for administrative law.......that is trouble enough. I don't want to read info on these fora that is misleading. Inaccuracy does no service to anyone.

And there is this:
"The media" - quite a generality.....as written, the term encompasses ALL media, every bit and facet.
Is that what was really meant? (And don't say "you know what he means." No, I only know what he wrote.) Plus....that bit about replacing the media. Uh huh. That is what Lenin and Stalin did....controll the press so it says what you want it to say. No disagreements.
Do you really think that we would be equable and fair if we were n control....because we are the good guys?
Pete

I would guess with your logic you are ex police and have nothing to worry about with your guns

 

[goldie]

In NYC, a ruger 10/22 is like an m60 machinegun in some peoples eyes, thats how pathetic it is,believe it or not...

 

[Pete D.]

In NYC, a ruger 10/22 is like an m60 machinegun in some peoples eyes, thats how pathetic it is,believe it or not...

In this day and age, that belief is not just restricted to the city of New York.
Pete

 

[Paladin7]

Personally, I've grown to have very little sympathy for gun owners in NYC or NY State who are not politically active.

I'm on the Executive Board of the largest TEA Party Group in Long Island, and it has been like squeezing blood from a stone trying to get NY State Gun Owners to take this seriously and get active... we have plenty of opportunities to make real change and most just won't get active at all. And the funny thing, is that getting active really isn't a burden... a few hours a month is all it takes.

There are other organizations like The Oath Keepers who are doing a terrific job, but they are among the few organizations who are in the streets working for change.

If anyone is reading this and has had enough, go to http://csa-1776.org or http://oathkeepers.net/ny/ and get ACTIVE.

You would be very surprised what a group of committed activists can actually get accomplished. This is how the Left has operated for the past 80 years to get to where they are. It is not hopeless and there are many people who are with us.

Our Rights are perishable. If you don't get active, then you get what you deserve.