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I have an RCBS and replaced the O-ring with an O-spring from ACE. No more replacing O-rings for me.
O rings for bullet puller
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Try the little rubber bands that girls use for their hair. Lord knows I've got enough of the things cluttering up the house.
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Okay, after all this I wrote an email to RCBS, because that is the boolit puller I use. This is the response I got.....
This is for your information and take from it what you wish. Just thought I would share...
The Dove
My question - I have an RCBS kinetic type bullet puller (the hammer looking kind). I
have heard both sides of the argument that one should use the collet
type shell holder that comes with the puller and others say that one
should use the appropriate shell holder (like the shell holder you use
in the press). Can you verify if a shell holder is safe or unsafe to use
in these types of bullet pullers?
RCBS response - you can not use a press style shell holder for the hammer. You
have to use the chuck assembly only. You use the shell holders if you
use the standard bullet puller with collets. Hope this helps, have a
great day.
Thank you,
Technical Service Department/rm
ATK/RCBS Operation
This is for your information and take from it what you wish. Just thought I would share...
The Dove
My question - I have an RCBS kinetic type bullet puller (the hammer looking kind). I
have heard both sides of the argument that one should use the collet
type shell holder that comes with the puller and others say that one
should use the appropriate shell holder (like the shell holder you use
in the press). Can you verify if a shell holder is safe or unsafe to use
in these types of bullet pullers?
RCBS response - you can not use a press style shell holder for the hammer. You
have to use the chuck assembly only. You use the shell holders if you
use the standard bullet puller with collets. Hope this helps, have a
great day.
Thank you,
Technical Service Department/rm
ATK/RCBS Operation
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"...you can not use a press style shell holder for the hammer. You have to use the chuck assembly only. "
They are incorrect, I've proven I can use a shell holder quite well.
They are incorrect, I've proven I can use a shell holder quite well.
What other response would expect from the manufacturer?
They probably have not tested this highly technical piece of equipment using each and every shell holder from Lee to Redding. They have no idea if the person asking the question suffers from RCI (Rectal Cranial Inversion) or if he's a Nobel Prize winner.
Consequently to answer otherwise would be to have the legal department experience heart palpatations and munching Nitro Glycerin like pez in fear that the next sound they heard would be a loud BOOM of the class action lawsuit dropping into their mailbox.
Feel free to use any shell holder you wish for your kinetic pullers, but should you find yourself loosing important appendages or suffering permanent loss of hearing because something goes wrong, don't expect the manufacturer to endorse ANYTHING except the method they tested as an acceptable use.
And...if you are just too smart to allow anything to EVER go wrong, congratulations! The rest of us mere mortals strive to attain your zen like perfection. Until then, I personally will refrain from petting Grizzly Bears, juggling hand grenades and perfecting my kite flying skills during this summers thunderstorms.
The above is meant as a joke, please take it as such and don't waste electrons flaming me.
They probably have not tested this highly technical piece of equipment using each and every shell holder from Lee to Redding. They have no idea if the person asking the question suffers from RCI (Rectal Cranial Inversion) or if he's a Nobel Prize winner.
Consequently to answer otherwise would be to have the legal department experience heart palpatations and munching Nitro Glycerin like pez in fear that the next sound they heard would be a loud BOOM of the class action lawsuit dropping into their mailbox.
Feel free to use any shell holder you wish for your kinetic pullers, but should you find yourself loosing important appendages or suffering permanent loss of hearing because something goes wrong, don't expect the manufacturer to endorse ANYTHING except the method they tested as an acceptable use.
And...if you are just too smart to allow anything to EVER go wrong, congratulations! The rest of us mere mortals strive to attain your zen like perfection. Until then, I personally will refrain from petting Grizzly Bears, juggling hand grenades and perfecting my kite flying skills during this summers thunderstorms.
The above is meant as a joke, please take it as such and don't waste electrons flaming me.
Toforo
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Another MidWayUSA branded product
(NOT dis'n it, I personally think it's a GOOD thing)
(They even share some of the same buildings)
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So, for about $20.00 you get a kinetic bullet puller and 3 collets which will handle the same range of cartridges that are served by 47 of the designated shell holders (which would run you $420.65 if purchased from RCBS). If there was some compelling reason to use the shell holders, wouldn't they be pushing you to purchase them?
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I'm guilty of having used a shell holder in my RCBS kinetic puller. It worked, but doesn't hold the bullet nearly as tight as the collet that came with the puller. I use the collet every time now because it holds the bullet better and I don't have to strike it as hard to make it work.
I've broken the cap on my puller (replaced free by RCBS). In hindsight, I wonder if the lesser thread engagement from using a shell holder instead of the collet contributed to the failure.
I've broken the cap on my puller (replaced free by RCBS
). In hindsight, I wonder if the lesser thread engagement from using a shell holder instead of the collet contributed to the failure.
NeuseRvrRat
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you're gonna have the shellholder for the caliber you're loading anyway
fwiw, i haven't had any trouble with the collet-type holder that comes with the puller
"you're gonna have the shellholder for the caliber you're loading anyway
fwiw, i haven't had any trouble with the collet-type holder that comes with the puller"
If you run progressive you may well not have the shell holder you need but then 95% of the cartridges we load use only about five or six different shell holders.
Between 38, 9 MM,233, 308, 44 Mag, 45 Colt and the Win Mag head size that covers 99% of what I load personally. I'm not real esoteric. and have only added the 25 WSSM holder in the last year so my increase costs have been pretty low lately. I have found that the odd 380 and 25 ACP don't make a huge dent in my ammo needs although I do have those holders available.
I use the RCBS and a Quinetics and have found the Quinetics to be far superior to the RCBS unit hands down.
Greg
fwiw, i haven't had any trouble with the collet-type holder that comes with the puller"
If you run progressive you may well not have the shell holder you need but then 95% of the cartridges we load use only about five or six different shell holders.
Between 38, 9 MM,233, 308, 44 Mag, 45 Colt and the Win Mag head size that covers 99% of what I load personally. I'm not real esoteric. and have only added the 25 WSSM holder in the last year so my increase costs have been pretty low lately. I have found that the odd 380 and 25 ACP don't make a huge dent in my ammo needs although I do have those holders available.
I use the RCBS and a Quinetics and have found the Quinetics to be far superior to the RCBS unit hands down.
Greg
jcwit
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[QUOTEI use the RCBS and a Quinetics and have found the Quinetics to be far superior to the RCBS unit hands down.
][/QUOTE]
Oh! Please explain, after all it's only a hammer. I realize different people like different hammers, but with that said I've never noticed a HUGE difference between a Plumb 16 oz hammer and an Estwing 16 oz hammer, versus a Stanley 16 oz hammer.
What the Hands Down difference?
][/QUOTE]
Oh! Please explain, after all it's only a hammer. I realize different people like different hammers, but with that said I've never noticed a HUGE difference between a Plumb 16 oz hammer and an Estwing 16 oz hammer, versus a Stanley 16 oz hammer.
What the Hands Down difference?
"Oh! Please explain, after all it's only a hammer. I realize different people like different hammers, but with that said I've never noticed a HUGE difference between a Plumb 16 oz hammer and an Estwing 16 oz hammer, versus a Stanley 16 oz hammer.
What the Hands Down difference? "
OK. The one simple thing that makes it hands down better is the chuck set up. The RCBS is a "solid" unit in that you have to unscrew it all the way to take out the cartridge, bullet and powder. The Quinetics allows you to give a partial twist allowing the cartridge, powder and bullet to be poured out of the puller without a lot of hassle. They do this by virtue of a 3 piece chuck that is "split" allowing it to relax around the case when the cap is unscrewed slightly.
Greg
Here is a pic I just took, sorry for the poor focus. Quinetics on the left and RCBS chuck on the right.
You can see where the Quinetics would allow the case to slip out when you back the cap off.
What the Hands Down difference? "
OK. The one simple thing that makes it hands down better is the chuck set up. The RCBS is a "solid" unit in that you have to unscrew it all the way to take out the cartridge, bullet and powder. The Quinetics allows you to give a partial twist allowing the cartridge, powder and bullet to be poured out of the puller without a lot of hassle. They do this by virtue of a 3 piece chuck that is "split" allowing it to relax around the case when the cap is unscrewed slightly.
Greg
Here is a pic I just took, sorry for the poor focus. Quinetics on the left and RCBS chuck on the right.
You can see where the Quinetics would allow the case to slip out when you back the cap off.
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OK, makes sense now. I believe what you're referring to is an interrupted thread.
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SpamHandler: "..the same range of cartridges that are served by 47 of the designated shell holders... If there was some compelling reason to use the shell holders, wouldn't they be pushing you to purchase them?"
-- (We need a reality check on isle three, please!)
If someone is going to reload the cartridge he probably already has the shell holder. And you may note that even the manufactors only have a dozen or so shell holders to deal with the full range of commonly reloaded cases. Precious few reloaders would ever need anywhere near that many but, if they did, the multi-use shell holders would be a tiny part of their loading tools cost. And there are other, less costly makers of shell holders than RCBS.
Exageration and stacking the deck never makes a strong argument out of a weak one.
-- (We need a reality check on isle three, please!)
If someone is going to reload the cartridge he probably already has the shell holder. And you may note that even the manufactors only have a dozen or so shell holders to deal with the full range of commonly reloaded cases. Precious few reloaders would ever need anywhere near that many but, if they did, the multi-use shell holders would be a tiny part of their loading tools cost. And there are other, less costly makers of shell holders than RCBS.
Exageration and stacking the deck never makes a strong argument out of a weak one.
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[QUOTEAs opposed to the crappy set of 'holders' they come with][/QUOTE]
That is your opinion, personnally I never had any trouble in all the times I've pulled cartridges down. Mayhaps I extra good at it.
That is your opinion, personnally I never had any trouble in all the times I've pulled cartridges down. Mayhaps I extra good at it.
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"And of course we all know how many primers have gone off on presses from seating them or seating bullets. "
I don't, what are you refering to?
I don't, what are you refering to?
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Well, since you require one, I'll provide it.
Who said anything about reloading a given cartridge. I've disassembled many 7.62x39 (a caliber I didn't reload), to salvage the bullets. Your method would require an additional purchase that I had no desire to make.
In the case of RCBS, 47 of them!
Agreed, but it would be a cost that is beyond what has already been spent. The collets work quite well (they were designed for that purpose, after all). You can spend your money in whichever manner you see fit.
True, but the OP's question is regarding RCBS (and since RCBS doesn't think that you should use their own shell holders in their hammers, I doubt that they'd give the go-ahead to use other makers).
Where is the exaggeration? Do the 3 collets not cover the same range of cases as the 47 case holders? So I ask again.....Why wouldn't RCBS WANT you to use and purchase their shell holders (It would increase their profits)?
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