nico
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I hate to break it to you, but Muslims believe in the same god as Christians and Jews.
Obama considering run for president
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With a middle name of Hussein he will do well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
He is an educated person with great oratory skills. If he has any substance to him he does a very good job of shielding it from public view. He has an ivy league law degree. How many more ot those do we need in government at any stage?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
He is an educated person with great oratory skills. If he has any substance to him he does a very good job of shielding it from public view. He has an ivy league law degree. How many more ot those do we need in government at any stage?
Sry0fcr
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Trading away some freedoms in exchange for others isn't the answer. There's more out there than just D's and R's. If the rest of America would realize this we'd be better off.
James Dobson is a greater threat to our freedom than Hillary Clinton?
Give me a break.
The world's full of speaker/writer types with opinions about everything. Maureen Dowd, Jerry Falwell, Paul Krugman, etc. all have their following, and they all have some influence. But not one of them has ever actually voted one way or another in the Senate.
Give me a break.
The world's full of speaker/writer types with opinions about everything. Maureen Dowd, Jerry Falwell, Paul Krugman, etc. all have their following, and they all have some influence. But not one of them has ever actually voted one way or another in the Senate.
Not really.
Can you name a candidate who is neither, who is a contender for Senate?
I can name one, and he was a D until a few months ago -- and will be again, when he wins.
Step 1: Get viable candidates that you like before the voters. Party doesn't matter too much. The primary elections are a good time to get candidates out there.
Step 2: Campaign for your best actual choice in the final election.
Unless they are die-hard party people, Americans tend to vote for candidates. Can you name, say, a Libertarian candidate, right now, who could get a plurality of votes? I can't. Bummer, but it's reality.
Until the Libertarians get a candidate who really gets people fired up, we have little chance of winning AS Libertarians.
Bear:
"James Dobson is a greater threat to our freedom than Hillary Clinton?
Give me a break."
Hey Bear, let me remind you, these are the guys who told the nation that 9/11 was caused by abortionists and homosexuals.
That is delusional, as are any of their followers.
You may not like Hillary, I'm not a fan, but she is rational, unlike these Theocrats.
Kowboy
"James Dobson is a greater threat to our freedom than Hillary Clinton?
Give me a break."
Hey Bear, let me remind you, these are the guys who told the nation that 9/11 was caused by abortionists and homosexuals.
That is delusional, as are any of their followers.
You may not like Hillary, I'm not a fan, but she is rational, unlike these Theocrats.
Kowboy
James Dobson? Let me see the quote. Come on, let me see it.
This is what I can find on PFAW, in Dobson's own words:
"I certainly believe that God is displeased with America for its pride and arrogance, for killing 40 million unborn babies, for the universality of profanity and for other forms of immorality. However, rather than trying to forge a direct cause-and-effect relationship between the terrorist attacks and America’s abandonment of biblical principles, which I think is wrong, we need to accept the truth that this nation will suffer in many ways for departing from the principles of righteousness. "The wages of sin is death," as it says in Romans 6, both for individuals and for entire cultures."
A far cry from blaming 9/11 on homosexuals.
Uh, so what? Rationally power-hungry? Rationally vindictive? Rationally opposed to all I hold dear as an American?
Like I said, Hillary actually casts votes in the Senate and will run for President soon. James Dobson and Jerry Falwell don't and won't.
Not everyone you disagree with is a threat to you, Kowboy.
vito
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I'm a retired Army officer who served 24 years, including my time in Vietnam. I've never run for office but vote every election. I have sworn to protect this nation and the U.S. Constitution. I consider myself a patriot who understands that the U.S.A. may be the last hope for mankind, and is the greatest nation that has ever existed on this earth. As an avid reader of this forum I am more than dismayed at the ignorance and foolishness of so many contributors to this thread. And for those of you who think that there are more important rights that those guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment I hope you never have to find out how the 2nd Amendment is truly the most important that insures the rest. On a practical level, I use a politician's position on the 2A as a litmus test for his or her faith in the common man. The elected official who fears, distrusts and condescends to the common man does not want that same common man to possess the means of self defense. I believe in the American people, and I believe that this nation is one of the people, for the people and by the people. Anyone who does not trust the people does not deserve my vote. God Bless America and God help us if even those of us who believe in the right to keep and bear arms cannot unite behind those who support that right.
Lone_Gunman
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Vito, did you vote for Bush?
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vito thanks
I just don't see the Dems doing any better on a wide array of issues.They are hostile to gunrights thats for sure.Doubt the aftermath of 9-11 would have been better with Dems at the healm,though might not be in Iraq now....we still would be debating for the UN's seal of approval to do something?
Libertarians could be better than Repubs on certain issues.Its the wrong Repubs and Dems getting into the spotlight.Somewhere there are those that might actually be somewhat decent leaders but they get subverted by the elite.
I dont trust Obama,he might have charisma but so did Clinton.......
I just don't see the Dems doing any better on a wide array of issues.They are hostile to gunrights thats for sure.Doubt the aftermath of 9-11 would have been better with Dems at the healm,though might not be in Iraq now....we still would be debating for the UN's seal of approval to do something?
Libertarians could be better than Repubs on certain issues.Its the wrong Repubs and Dems getting into the spotlight.Somewhere there are those that might actually be somewhat decent leaders but they get subverted by the elite.
I dont trust Obama,he might have charisma but so did Clinton.......
River Wraith
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I would vote Libertarian or Republican, but not Democrat. I will not vote for socialists. The plan of the Fabian society worked in Great Britain and seems to be working here, although it's on hold at the moment.
bg
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This reporter tells it like it is regarding this Obama
character..Some say he'd be good for the Nation as
President. I've heard some say mixing water & oil
won't hurt anything either..
http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=11640
character..Some say he'd be good for the Nation as
President. I've heard some say mixing water & oil
won't hurt anything either..
http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=11640
vmfrantz
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It truely is amazing that you never here libs wanting to enforce laws or have death penalties for people that commit crimes with firearms. Its always punish the good guy. People should see that this is there way to force rule on the majority that dont want them. They could care less abouth the people these murders kill or wound. It is just a way to force there political agenda on us.
Shel
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Let's hope he doesnt win... I really doubt he will. When I lived in IL I voted AGAINST him.
River Wraith
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A lot of good that did, huh? At least you guys tried, but there are just too many liberals in Illinois and now we're stuck with his ass for 4 more years. I hope the American people have more sense, but you never know what might happen. I felt bad for you guys in Illinois when he was elected.
longeyes
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Obama, or another Obama down the road, will be President of the America-aborning, if not in '08, then all too soon. It's an inevitability given the values being imbued by schools and media and entertainment. Those of us who care and are realists will be figuring where and how to preserve the values of the Founding Fathers.
Armed Bear:
Per your request:
THE TRANSCRIPT
Here are their comments in context:
Pat Robertson began the interview asking Falwell what his response has been to the terrorist attacks. Falwell said there had been a massive prayer gathering of members of his congregation along with students from Liberty University. He told the TV audience that they had humbled themselves before God, prayed for President Bush and his advisers and for the victims of the attacks.
Falwell then likened the attacks to Pearl Harbor and that at that time, Hitler wanted to destroy the Jews and conquer the world. Now, "Islamic fundamentalists, radical terrorists, Middle-Eastern monsters" want to destroy Israel and conquer the world.
The two men then talked about religious revival and whether the events of September 11 might spark spiritual renewal in America.
Then Falwell said, "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
Robertson replied, "Well, Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror, we haven't begun to see what they can do to the major population."
Falwell said, "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."
Robertson said, "I totally concur, and the problem is we've adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system."
Falwell added, "Pat, did you notice yesterday that the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, the People for the American Way, NOW, etc., were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress, as they went out on the steps and and called out to God in prayer and sang 'God bless America' and said, let the ACLU be hanged. In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time, calling on God."
Hillary Clinton has never said and/or done anything remotely as delusional as these Theocrats.
Happy to oblige,
Kowboy
Per your request:
THE TRANSCRIPT
Here are their comments in context:
Pat Robertson began the interview asking Falwell what his response has been to the terrorist attacks. Falwell said there had been a massive prayer gathering of members of his congregation along with students from Liberty University. He told the TV audience that they had humbled themselves before God, prayed for President Bush and his advisers and for the victims of the attacks.
Falwell then likened the attacks to Pearl Harbor and that at that time, Hitler wanted to destroy the Jews and conquer the world. Now, "Islamic fundamentalists, radical terrorists, Middle-Eastern monsters" want to destroy Israel and conquer the world.
The two men then talked about religious revival and whether the events of September 11 might spark spiritual renewal in America.
Then Falwell said, "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
Robertson replied, "Well, Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror, we haven't begun to see what they can do to the major population."
Falwell said, "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."
Robertson said, "I totally concur, and the problem is we've adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system."
Falwell added, "Pat, did you notice yesterday that the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, the People for the American Way, NOW, etc., were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress, as they went out on the steps and and called out to God in prayer and sang 'God bless America' and said, let the ACLU be hanged. In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time, calling on God."
Hillary Clinton has never said and/or done anything remotely as delusional as these Theocrats.
Happy to oblige,
Kowboy
You said James Dobson. That you posted is Falwell and Robertson. Where is James Dobson remarks. Ever read the Bible. God did decipline or punish people and nations all the time for their sin. Now you do not have to believe any of that. But it is there. Of coarse it played out over time and most people at the time probably did not understand the punishment for what it was. But the Prophets of the Old Testament did. Of coarse they were killed. You have to understand the Bible to understand those who are speaking of biblical things. You can even make a different interpretation if you want. But they have as much right to understand it as most have for centuries. Some people do not see the Bible as a comic book. But you do have the right to make fun of them if you want. Do I think they are always right or wrong---No. But I will not call them theocrats as that is just silly fearmongering of the left varity.
Kim's right.
I quoted Dobson. People For the American Way found that quote to be one of the most "offensive" things he's ever said. Funny thing is, far-left professors are ALWAYS saying that the sins of the United States are coming 'round to bite us in the butt. The various groups just disagree about which "sins" are important, but the message is pretty darned similar.
No one takes Falwell seriously in the political arena, or has for years, and Robertson has been known to run in primaries. He's an opponent, not a supporter, of other candidates, at least in his mind. And he's just a rich TV preacher, to most ot them.
James Dobson and Jerry Falwell are very different people. To refer them as "those theocrats" indicates one of three things:
1. You don't know anything about them.
2. You have an agenda of your own, to lump them together and discredit all Christians who dare speak out about anything.
3. You are a bigot who can't tell one preacher from another.
Hillary Clinton is a politician. She votes in the Senate. She has a record to examine.
She may not be "delusional", but who cares?
I quoted Dobson. People For the American Way found that quote to be one of the most "offensive" things he's ever said. Funny thing is, far-left professors are ALWAYS saying that the sins of the United States are coming 'round to bite us in the butt. The various groups just disagree about which "sins" are important, but the message is pretty darned similar.
No one takes Falwell seriously in the political arena, or has for years, and Robertson has been known to run in primaries. He's an opponent, not a supporter, of other candidates, at least in his mind. And he's just a rich TV preacher, to most ot them.
James Dobson and Jerry Falwell are very different people. To refer them as "those theocrats" indicates one of three things:
1. You don't know anything about them.
2. You have an agenda of your own, to lump them together and discredit all Christians who dare speak out about anything.
3. You are a bigot who can't tell one preacher from another.
Hillary Clinton is a politician. She votes in the Senate. She has a record to examine.
She may not be "delusional", but who cares?
No_Brakes23
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Too bad he is an anti, cause he is smoother than Bill Clinton.
And the Republicans possibilities for '08 don't look a whole lot better. McCain isn't very pro 2a and Guiliani is downright anti. Who else are the Repubs putting up?
Care to adjust your statement, or at least qualify it with a word besides never?
And the Republicans possibilities for '08 don't look a whole lot better. McCain isn't very pro 2a and Guiliani is downright anti. Who else are the Repubs putting up?
I am a liberal, and I support the enforcement of most current laws, (Some laws violate the 2a, I don't support those,) I support the death penalty, and I do not support punishing the good guy.
Care to adjust your statement, or at least qualify it with a word besides never?
Art Eatman
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Obama is the subject of this thread. Not the ACLU, religion, Falwell, or personal opinions of one another among the posters...
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longeyes
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Yes, America, high cheekbones ARE enough.
Let's face what we've become.
Hold on.
Let's face what we've become.
Hold on.
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