Of rappers, newspaper columnists, and CCW

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Pretty much of what Hunter Rose has said is anecdotal.

That does not mean that he's wrong.

The black mainstream establishment is anti-gun. Anyone who wants to dispute that statement can go and read the testimony given by members of the BDC made before committee hearings as well as on floor votes.

It boggles the mind.

Kony, if you've lived on the North Side of Milwaukee, or equivalent neighborhoods in other cities, then you've likely seen this phenomenon. I certainly have, and as a resident.

The BDC is strictly beholden to the WI Democrat party. There are many Democrat legislators outside of Milwaukee who represent pro-gun constituencies, and who can buck the Democrat leadership.

Not in Milwaukee.

One of the reasons is that black legislators have established a patronage system. Do some research on now-congresswoman Gwendolyne Moore. Pay particular attention to the date that she announced her candicacy for state senate (as that date relates to election laws), and who she promoted on that last filing day as her successor.

It was her cousin.

This happens all the time, everytime.

I've watched Rep. Tamara Grigsby. She's so gorgeous that my knees wobble every time I see her. Yet she has nothing to say, nothing to offer, and I'm fairly certain that she got into office through the good graces of one of her relatives already holding office.

It's the same corrupt system. It's the system that has given millions of dollars to do-nothing inner-city agencies run by friends or relatives of legislators, that has bilked the city for millions of dollars in fraudulent aid, has employed people who do no work (and I know many of them) but receive a decent salary, and who otherwise just rip off taxpayers.

The only requisite for such jobs is that the job-seeker toe the Democrat line, one position of which is that guns are evil.

In Milwaukee, Democrats stick to the party line handed down by the Dem party leadership. Black Democrats have to stay closer to that line because they don't have the funding that Democrats from other areas do; they depend upon state-level party money.

Milwaukee is now the sixth-poorest city in the country. Even poorer than New Orleans, and even more corrupt.

But that doesn't stop some members of the BDC from carrying concealed weapons. It only stops them from being arrested.
 
Monkeyleg said:
Pretty much of what Hunter Rose has said is anecdotal.

That does not mean that he's wrong.

The black mainstream establishment is anti-gun. Anyone who wants to dispute that statement can go and read the testimony given by members of the BDC made before committee hearings as well as on floor votes.

Does not mean Hunter's right either. Its just an opinion. Now, I agree that the Black mainstream establishment is anti-gun but I just disagree that its because they are afraid for their "criminal" family/friends as I think that reasoning is a little far-fetched. I am more inclined to believe a lack of exposure to firearms in a non-demonized fashion is what is the culprit. There are many folks that grow-up with firearms throughout childhood but no not own one in adulthood. These people may not own them but will usually not infringe upon another person right to because their previous firearms exposure.
 
KONY, the opinion expressed here by Hunter Rose is one that has been expressed by at least one black THR member who offered his own view on why the "mainstream" black community opposes guns in general, and CCW in particular.

My own view, and one that I have mentioned in other threads, is that the so-called "black leaders," from Jesse Jackson on down to the local city councilman, profit from racism, poverty, and crime.

Eliminate the cry of "racism" for every problem today, and Jesse Jackson would go bankrupt.

Make marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and other drugs legal, and the drug problem would go away. So would 40% of adult black males being in prison or on probation for non-violent crimes.

Convince the white liberals to stay in the city after their children are ready for school. (God, I hate those "tolerant" types who flee when their kid reaches five years old). Milwaukee is being bled dry for tax dollars by the middle-class whites who flee to the suburbs for better schools.

Columnist Eugene Kane lives in the black community, he travels largely throughout the North Side of Milwaukee (and rarely elsewhere), and only has a perspective based on that experience.

A couple of years ago, three of us who were promised to be able to speak about the CCW bill were literally chased to our cars by "women of color," who screamed that we were selling guns to their children, and were causing all of the homicides on the North Side of Milwaukee.

We were posed against an assistant DA and a representative of an anti-gun group. We thought we'd get a chance to be heard.

Instead, we needed a police escort to our cars.

Our first speaker attempted to explain that gun restrictions were first enacted in the South to keep blacks from being able to defend themselves.

He didn't even get through the first sentence before being shouted down, and then our exit.

How can you possibly open a dialogue when the party you wish to talk to is so openly hostile?

The only avenues that mainstream caucasian males have available to open dialogues are through persons such as Condoleeza Rice, or Clarence Thomas, or Colin Powell.

But, when the mainstream media puts an asterisk by their names (meaning they're "not really black"), that pretty much sorts the herd, doesn't it?
 
Bill, no, you do not wish you had been there.

What's the old saying? "Discretion is the better part of valor."

These anti-violence activists were violent. There were lots of badges and lots of guns helping us get out of the building.
 
>These anti-violence activists were violent. There were lots of badges and lots of guns helping us get out of the building.<


There's a term in common usage... what is it now... oh yeah, martyr...


Imagine trying to address these people, and remaining calm. Keep that calm facade up. ONLY respond with violence after dealing with a couple of swings, when it's OBVIOUS that there's violence aimed at you, regardless of what you try to do. Now picture what happens when you're on Charlie Sikes show a day or so later, and possibility even on the TV news. Think those "anti-violence" people are gonna get alot of positive press?:what:

After a couple attempts on one's life, you realize that worrying about death gets boring. And, after 35 years, I've discovereed that I'm not as worried about dying as I am about being a bore... ;)

Not to say I'd look for something like that. but when life hands you lemons...
 
Well, if your argument is based on a false statistic then what explanatory worth does it have? There is another thread in this section linking anti-CCW to a lack of firearms exposure/education. Now, that's an explanation I can buy into.

The statistic used in my sociology book is 28% of black men will serve time at some point in their lives.

HBO did a prison/jail documentary based on the Washington DC area. They stated that 50% of all black men in the Washington DC area served time, are currently serving time, or are wanted for a crime that will result in a jail sentence.

Here is a quote that reflect my sociology book:
If current rates of incarceration remain unchanged, 28.5 percent of black men will be confined in prison at least once during their lifetime, a figure six times greater than that for white men.36 As a result, nearly three in ten adult African American men will be temporarily or permanently deprived of the right to vote. But the total numbers of disenfranchised will be greater because, as noted above, it will include a substantial percentage of those convicted of a felony but not receiving a prison sentence (e.g., sentenced to probation). In states that disenfranchise ex-felons, we estimate that 40 percent of the next generation of black men is likely to lose permanently the right to vote.37
http://www.sentencingproject.org/losing_05.cfm
 
poe_9999 said:
The statistic used in my sociology book is 28% of black men will serve time at some point in their lives.

HBO did a prison/jail documentary based on the Washington DC area. They stated that 50% of all black men in the Washington DC area served time, are currently serving time, or are wanted for a crime that will result in a jail sentence.

Here is a quote that reflect my sociology book:
http://www.sentencingproject.org/losing_05.cfm

Thanks for quoting that. So the figures we are dealing with are roughly between 25%-50%. Any source for the year and name of the survey? Textbooks usually quote their sources.

Monkeyleg, what happened to you was unfortunate. But remember, that incident is still a reaction to an as-yet undetermined cause. Still, I do like hearing a different perspective on this so thanks for sharing them.
 
Get Rich or Die Tryin' is one man's story. If he has the resources to tell it on the big screen, let him.
I am sick of all the 'this is a bad influence on my baby' bull?????.
Hey moms and dads, how bout doing some fricking parenting?!

I watched violent movies, played violent movies, listened to some violent music growing up. I don't rob/rape/kill/beat/etc people. My mom and dad made sure I knew what was right and what was wrong. Why can't these people figure it out?
 
Yeah, it might not seem as bad, and I'm not sure what the correct percentage is. Still, the arguement stands: if many of the people you knew counted as criminals (friends, relations, maybe your granddaughter's father), you would probably be leary of any law that would result in criminals being killed...
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The criminals are killing each other.
The criminals are already carrying guns illegally. 98% of the shootings in any urban area are criminals shooting other criminals, mostly due to disputes over the drug trade, and simple petty disagreements. The criminals who cant carry guns legally will continue to break the law.
CCW will have no impact at all on the violent crime commited by drug dealers and thugs against other drug dealers and thugs. Only the community standing up saying enough is enough, and parenting their children will stop the violence.
 
And why are the city centers such festering sinkholes of crime?

Should we blame those "middle class whites" who run screaming to the suburbs? (hardly, they enjoyed the "frontier life" of the streets while young, now they want something a little more stable)

Should we blame the 28%-50% of black criminals and the great mass of their fellow citizens who endorse and enable them?

Why do you need a CCW law in the inner city when 28%-50% (at least) are carrying already?

Is it only the white city folks who are obeying the law? (apparently)

Oscar Wilde contended that life imitated art (because most people were too blind to notice things without a sensitive artist to point them out) but this isn't 19th Century England and Fitty is no artist.

Blaming movies for criminals' behavior is like blaming George Bush for Abu Ghraib... easy and comforting for those that don't think too much but ultimately pointless and delusional.

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