Off Duty cop goes on a rampage...

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First of all, the friends and family of those affected by this are in my prayers.

Secondly, there's no way of telling all that was going on in this situation. There's a possibility that another gun was involved, that the deputy thought his life was in danger, etc... Until all the evidence is released and the survivor is able to release a statement, I think the press should stay out of it. Mental screenings have very little validity in this day and age. If NASA can clear someone after being seasoned, give them control of billions of dollars worth of equipment, and then watch as they kill ex-lovers, it can happen anywhere. The fact of the matter is that bad stuff happens to good people, and nine times out of ten all you can do is pray that you're not there when it does.


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f NASA can clear someone after being seasoned, give them control of billions of dollars worth of equipment, and then watch as they kill ex-lovers, it can happen anywhere.
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Hmm tho i agree with your sentiment that " psyc tests " are ineffective , the quoted statement is pure hyperbole and false at that . The only issue i am aware of at nasa was the astronaut who drove to florida due to a love triangle and got herself arrested before she could harm anyone . If i am mistaken please link to the story you speak of .
 
There's a possibility that another gun was involved, that the deputy thought his life was in danger, etc..
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Oh, I'm pretty sure we're not gonna hear that version......

If NASA can clear someone after being seasoned, give them control of billions of dollars worth of equipment, and then watch as they kill ex-lovers,
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Which of course never happened either.
 
I will not be surprised if the sherrif finds some way to blame it all on guns.
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It is very hard to understand why anyone would hire a teenager as a cop.

I would not be at all surprised to find there is some kind of political favor or nepotism involved.
 
Hmm tho i agree with your sentiment that " psyc tests " are ineffective , the quoted statement is pure hyperbole and false at that . The only issue i am aware of at nasa was the astronaut who drove to florida due to a love triangle and got herself arrested before she could harm anyone . If i am mistaken please link to the story you speak of .
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IMO, Psych tests in general are a lot like polygraphs tests. They are about 75% accurate when used on the uninitiated and about 10% accurate when used on those who have an understanding of them.

As a screening tool, they probably have some benefit, but it requires good judgment to interpret the results. Often, people do not want judgment, because it is so subjective, and a numerical score seems like a more objective way of determining such things.

I have no doubt at all that the NASA case, and the many, many other similar cases, reflect other issues as well. Security clearances are an expensive thing, as is training an astronaut, and having to remove an astronaut from the program over personal conduct issues is very bad PR. All of those things tend to encourage managers to cover up rather than deal with these kinds of problems.
 
It is very hard to understand why anyone would hire a teenager as a cop.
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This seems like a REALLY small town. I suspect the need for officers was so great it came down to a "take what you can get" thing.

The pay has to be horrible in places like that. There's not a long line of folks waiting for those kind of LEO jobs.
 
Quite a bit of evidence supporting facts that 25 is a correct age to be a LEO, earlier age is not good for the person or the public.


The anger shown towards "Stretchman" is interesting.

I also wonder why when someone does these things, they then kill themselves. If that is the case why not just kill yourself prior to the horrible act?

"Stretchman" mentioned the nutcase was inclined to shoot it out rather then take his own life. (this is important for the ones seeking his reason for doing it) As strange as it seems, killing another is one thing, taking his own life is not what he wanted to do.

They say that folks that take their own life are mad at themselves, looks like he was not mad at himself, just others.

The term "Amok" is one I posted earlier, it is worth reading.

Praying is an interesting way of handling it for some, others are not inclined to believe in them. If they helped why did it happen in the first place?
So many prayers so much bad things happening.
Faith is a blessing for some and wonder for others.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_us/wisconsin_shooting

Latest information about this.
 
And how can a 20 year old serve as a deputy and police when you have to be 21 to legally handle a pistol,
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You only have to be 21 to BUY a handgun, not have one in your custody.
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There is no federal law that precludes someone between the ages of 18-21 from buying/owning/possessing a handgun. Federal law only prohibits an FFL from selling a handgun to someone under the age of 21. In many states, private party sales of handguns to someone over 18 are legal.
 
'I have a feeling that the sheriff is going to have a very hard time explaining this away at election time."

I will not be surprised if the sherrif finds some way to blame it all on guns.
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Gee, Mr. Sheriff. If you know guns are the problem, why did you give a gun to a murderous psychopath? Even using that argument, you are still responsible.
 
I like others pray for the victims and their families.

As for the suspect:

Keep in mind the suspect represents a small portion of society. In fact all law enforcement officers represent some segment of society. As society changes and socially accepted behaviors change so will change the officers who are hired.
 
Horrible, just horrible. I hope the sniper left enough gray matter intact for the medicos to study. Maybe they'll find some Charles Whitman type defect or tumor.
 
They just announced in a press conference that he used an AR15. They haven't determined if it was a department owned rifle yet. They did say that the department uses them.
 
How many shots were fired, to how many killed etc...

The tech. stuff that will be discussed later I guess:uhoh:

Were others around that had weapons, and how come such a quick response to have a sniper in the wings:confused:
 
Thanks folks, it is getting clearer that he was intent on doing this for sure. We are talking a deep desire to kill here.

This is so sad for all. I am sure the town will never recover from this tragedy, for the family (his) he killed them also:(
 
Well it's possible it was his issue weapon or a department owned weapon which would shut up the whole thing. The anti's won't call for the ban of Police EBRs you can guarantee that.

The press conference would not confirm or deny that so we have to wait a while to see. All the cop said was that their department did use ARs of the type used here.

So...... still more info needed before the anti's can use this.
 
the anti's usually say that the police should be the only ones with guns....
now are they going to say that nobody should have guns?
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Hopefully they'll wake up and smell the coffee (however unlikely). This is a perfect argument for personal ownership of firearms, concealed carry, and self reliance. It's probably harder to call the cops when one is already there, sending lead your way.
It doesn't matter what type of gun he used, be it a musket or minigun. The source of the rampage wasn't in his hands, it was in his head.
I pray for the victim's families.
 
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