Office Paintballers vs. Cops in Modesto, California

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Fake guns cause real scare
Horseplay among co-workers triggers standoff with police
By CHRIS TOGNERI
BEE STAFF WRITER


Last Updated: December 13, 2006, 05:04:04 AM PST


A police standoff in downtown Modesto ended peacefully Tuesday morning when police discovered that what they thought was a masked gunman was in fact a group of co-workers playing with toy guns.
Police closed several blocks around Dow Diversified Inc., a construction company on the 1100 block of 14th Street, after a passer-by called 911 at 8:39 a.m. and reported seeing a man with a mask and a gun running on the street, Sgt. Craig Gundlach said.

Officer Jesse Garcia approached the business at 8:49a.m. He said he looked through the business's glass front and saw a man holding what appeared to be an assault rifle to his shoulder and aiming it inside the business.

Garcia retreated and called for backup. Dozens of officers and deputies from the police and sheriff's departments and the California Highway Patrol flooded the area.

Police began to alert businesses in the area of the potential danger, and some, including The Bee, locked doors and kept employees and customers indoors. No public schools were closed, Gundlach said.

Shortly after 9 a.m., police stopped a man in a silver Taurus one block from the business and ordered him out of the car at gunpoint. The man was identified as Joshua Kemper, 28, of Turlock.

A Dow Diversified employee said Kemper had been inside the business with four other male employees playing with Airsoft guns — replica guns that shoot plastic pellets — and planning a paint-ball excursion this weekend.

"We were just horsing around in the office," said Greg Adams, 43, of Gustine.

Adams said Kemper had left the building to put paint-ball guns in his trunk. For unknown reasons, he put on a dark-colored mask when he left the building.

The other men remained in the office, Adams said.

"We were all standing around talking when we heard all these sirens," he said.

One of the men looked outside and saw Kemper surrounded by police, Adams said. "So we all walked outside to see what was going on."

Outside, the men found dozens of officers aiming guns at them, including a sharpshooter on a roof across the street.

Police cuffed the men and held them in a nearby parking lot. Officers searched the business and found three toy handguns and one toy assault rifle, Gundlach said.

The guns are "very realistic-looking," Gundlach said.

"I can guarantee you, if a subject had come out with that (fake assault rifle) and did not immediately comply with officers' orders, we would have shot that subject," Gundlach said.

No arrests made

The three fake handguns had orange tips, as required by state law. The fake assault rifle also had an orange barrel, but it had been painted black.

Nobody was injured and police did not arrest the men. Also in the business were: Juan Navarro, 37, of Gustine; Darren Porter, 37, of Turlock; and Benjamin Kemper, 35, of Turlock.

"They were very cooperative," Gundlach said. "I can imagine they're probably feeling (embarrassed)."

Moments after the standoff, as officer Garcia talked to the men inside the business, Adams and his co-workers laughed nervously as they recounted the frightening misunderstanding.

"I still don't know why someone came in and looked through the windows," Adams said, later adding: "The landlord's probably going to ask us to leave this afternoon."

Bee staff writer Chris Togneri can be reached at 578-2324 or [email protected].



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SAFETY TIPS

Replica guns should be treated like real guns, Modesto police officials said. That means they should not be displayed in public, and they should be transported in locked boxes so as not to scare people.

"If it's a gun that has all appearances of a real gun, people should understand that it could cause alarm, and it could cause a heavy police response," Sgt. Craig Gundlach said. "This was a very alarming incident. It took a lot of resources to handle this call, unfortunately."

Gundlach urged all parents who choose to allow their children to play with replica guns to educate them on safety measures.
 
"They were very cooperative," Gundlach said. "I can imagine they're probably feeling (embarrassed)."

the only embarrassment is the way the police acted and the way the media has portrayed this event. now you don't even need a gun to stop society in it's tracks anymore in california.

in northern westchester NY where I used to live it was fairly common to see kids going into the woods to play paintball, the guns usualy tucked away in XL duffles. Still it was fairly common to have some loolie loo call the PD and any cop around for ten minutes usualy associated a man with gun call as a few kids playing paintball and some doofus who can't tell the difference between a rifle and a pipe with a CO2 can on the end, even whith the newer fake gun looking ones are pretty easy to spot, airsoft though does have the realistic look, but it's silly that anyone should thik that any gun in public is illegal 'cept for maybe the CCW only states.

all this is just sillyness:neener:
 
So how soon till the tactical ninja cops manage to kill a paintballer?

I'd say at the current rate of "oops" shootings, within the first half of the next year?
 
I think the police overreacted extremely, but other than that I don't think there's anything wrong with what happened.

Airsoft guns look real, no two ways about it. Couple that with someone who's a little paranoid and who sees that, I can understand how one might see that as trouble.

But the police who got there first should have known better.
 
Damn! My office is just two blocks away and I did notice the cops freaking out yesterday ~9:00AM. You've got to watch what you do with toy guns in this town, they've shot kids before around here. :(
 
Did it ever occur to the police to call the office building in question to ask if there was a problem?
 
Knowing the B, there will be an editorial shortly calling for the ban of airsoft/paintball/replica guns to avoid this kind of "scare" in the future.
 
The entire event displays gross stupidity on the part of the "toy" participants.

How much intellect does it take to figure out that this could cause a problem?
None. You have a bunch of mentally challenged clowns lacking adult
supervision going through a sequence of events emulating a real event.
Masks and all. Just how smart are these idiots ?

For those of you whining about the police, had it have been real, would you
still ask if they should "call ahead" ? If people were killed due to delays would
you whine about that as well ?

The police did nothing wrong. These "players" should have their toys
taken away and spend about 90 days picking up trash on the roadside.

No sympathy for those arrested.
 
Hummmmm

Heaven forbid anyone do something in their own offices that someone else might not agree with. Why anyone with even a bit of a brain should understand that you should not do anything at home, or in your office that anyone at ALL might disagree with. :rolleyes: Lets forget about privacy, private property and all that kind of thing!
 
Kids shouldn't play with replica guns. They should be trained to use real guns.

Cops have it rough, they were going to be fussed at either way. I could see doing that here (in fact didn't a THR member get laughed at by the police for playing airsoft at Purdue?), but not California. Jeez, come on, guys, it's the PRDK, use a brain cell or two!

As for me, I think I'll celebrate my freedom and carry an FAL down Main Street today.:cool:
 
As someone noted, although these folks weren't charged with anything, the Bee nevertheless published their names. I know some newspapers that have a standing policy that nobody gets their name published unless they've been formally charged. Unfortunately for these folks, the Bee is not one of those newspapers. You would think the media would have learned its lesson from the Richard Jewell -- Atlanta bombing debacle.
 
I think the police overreacted extremely, but other than that I don't think there's anything wrong with what happened.

I assume you mean the idiot that called in. The responding officer saw the guy that had blacked out his orange tip.
 
SAFETY TIPS

Replica guns should be treated like real guns, Modesto police officials said. That means they should not be displayed in public, and they should be transported in locked boxes so as not to scare people.

"If it's a gun that has all appearances of a real gun, people should understand that it could cause alarm, and it could cause a heavy police response," Sgt. Craig Gundlach said. "This was a very alarming incident. It took a lot of resources to handle this call, unfortunately."

Gundlach urged all parents who choose to allow their children to play with replica guns to educate them on safety measures.

I think we should give the MPD credit for this. They could have just as easily said "REPLICA GUNS ARE BAD! They should be illegal! There is no reason why people need such realistic looking toys! If children touch them they will die instantly!"
 
Heaven forbid anyone do something in their own offices that someone else might not agree with. Why anyone with even a bit of a brain should understand that you should not do anything at home, or in your office that anyone at ALL might disagree with. Lets forget about privacy, private property and all that kind of thing!
So if I thought I saw someone with an assault rifle going into a downtown commercial building where you work, you would want me to respect your privacy, and not call police?

And the guy who started all of this was outside with the "gun," wasn't he?
 
How much intellect does it take to figure out that this could cause a problem?
None. You have a bunch of mentally challenged clowns lacking adult
supervision going through a sequence of events emulating a real event.
Masks and all. Just how smart are these idiots ?

The masks they were wearing were likely black paintball/airsoft facemasks, I imagine. As for the guy who went outdoors with his on - it's likely they were still playing, and he wore glasses. Glasses make the removal and re-application of paintball masks a huge PITA.

The only mistakes I see these guys having made are:
1) Painting over the barrel of the 'assault rifle' airsoft gun
2) living in California, where firearm ownership is treated more severely than child rape.

I've occasionally joked of painting over the flashhider on my AR with 'safety orange' paint. Looks like doing so would not "fool the authorities".
 
I think we should give the MPD credit for this. They could have just as easily said "REPLICA GUNS ARE BAD! They should be illegal! There is no reason why people need such realstic looking guns! If children touch them they will die instantly!"

No, absolutely not. They'd not have said that, because paintballing and airsoft are incredibly popular. Most everyone has done it recreationally at least once, and there are as many active paintballers as there are active video gamers. Heck, in my group of friends, there seems to be at least an annual group excursion to play paintball, and there are a lot of offices which do the same.

They'd be alienating a huge part of the population, and would risk people seeing the ruse in actual firearm restriction.
 
The problem is that the police want to blow it out of proportion out of sheer self-importance.

I've had it both ways playing airsoft:

The down-to-earth cop approaches us, no weapon drawn, no Billy Badass shouting orders. Tells us someone saw a "man with a gun," we show him it's airsoft, he goes away. In New Castle County, where I used to live, I'm pretty sure we had the same cop always get called for the "man with a gun" hysteria in our area because after a while he'd just roll by in the patrol car, recognize us, and not even get out.

The Wannabe Badass cop shows up, gun drawn, get on your "f'ing face, scumbag" (actual quote), we ask what the problem is and he tells us to "f'ing shut up" (actual quote) and "if we ask any more questions or move we will be shot" (actual quote). Finds airsoft, calls backup anyway, handcuffs and searches everyone, tries to charge us with a laundry list of nuisance crimes when he finds nothing illegal before his supvervisor personally appears on the scene to get him to back off.

This actually happened to me and 5 others during a 6 way game on private property. Two of the guys never got their guns back - They left us the rifles, but "disappeared" the pistols.

It can go both ways. Some people have sense, some people don't.

Trouble is, the people who don't have sense seem to congregate in groups.
 
Back in high school, more than a decade ago, some friends and I would go to the local elementary school just before dusk and play water gun wars with obviously fake squirtguns (remember the old style super soakers, with the neon green and orange tanks up top?).

We did this for years, and the neighbors never really minded, and the janitor would frequently laugh at us as he made his rounds after hours.

Then on the night before graduation, the San Jose PD sent (and no, I am not making this up) 7 squad cars and a helicopter to take us down. One officer was really peeved when she found out that we had waterguns and "disarmed" one of us, and put him in the back of the car. The rest of us realized what was going on, and cautiously approached an officer and explained, then came out to the curb and sat down under supervision while they checked out the campus. The janitor confirmed that we did this all the time, and didn't vandalize or otherwise harm the property. The sergeant in charge that night sat out with us and critiqued our various garb, telling us the best way to blend in day or night, and was basically teaching us how to be wannabee SWAT cops.

Then my best friend's dad walked over from his house a couple blocks away and made the comment to the sergeant that he became concerned when he saw "the Gestapo flying overhead." They basically let us go at that point, and the cops were a little less happy than they had been.

Either way, I'd say that the reaction from this case was a little more than was probably needed, and the assinine comments after the fact were definitely over the top. Since when do toy guns need to be locked in a box, even in California? And as for masks, I can say that you would WANT a mask of some sort while you're playing to avoid those little pellets hitting you in the face (even from a ricochet, they can smart). Why he walked out the door with the mask on, who knows? Maybe he never took it off?
 
is it legal to wear a mask there?

Notice how they said "mask" but didn't specify, most likely intending to conjure the image of a ski mask or Lone Ranger sort of arrangement in the imaginations of the public to demonize the accused.

(Yes, I'm feeling bitter today.)

I don't know about you, but I'm not letting anyone fire a projectile at me without eye and face protection, and paintball masks exist for a good reason.
 
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