rayra
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Huck Phinn beat me to it, Futo Inu - you healthy types sat and bitched - should have helped yourselves and ran out to help. Maybe even practiced some Fireman's Carry too.
Oh..Ma..Gawd...Range Doofuses, Part 46
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powderific
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It seems to me that the part the Futo was most annoyed with was that the gentle men waited until AFTER everyone else had already done what they needed to do downrange. He stated that they had been there since the beggining. I fail to see how their old age makes this permissable. My guess is that he wouldn't have had a second thought about it if they had gone down right off. The fact that they waited to go down until after everyone else was finished was not a function of their old age, it was discourtesy on their part. The fact that futo told a story about it does not mean that he is disrespectful to them.
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Also, I think that letting them do the job on their own was better than running out there and doing it for them. Like futo said, they were making slow progress, but they were still doing fine.
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Also, I think that letting them do the job on their own was better than running out there and doing it for them. Like futo said, they were making slow progress, but they were still doing fine.
semf
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As stated in an earlier post it was not the topic, but the snail paced pointy headed, old-timers afflicted, itty-bitty granpa step taking geezer remarks that set the tone for the topic that I for one found unnecessarily offensive.
Well... I guess the moral of the story is: You can offer assistance, or say something to them to effect change ...or you get what you get.
I tend to be in the I'll offer help group - if that fails, then I join the - "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" group. Old fartitis striking me early I guess.
I tend to be in the I'll offer help group - if that fails, then I join the - "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" group. Old fartitis striking me early I guess.
**Edited to remove the three stories I told about seeing stupid and dangerous behavior at the range this recently.**
Some people commented that by my not proactively offering advice to these strangers, that I am in fact stupid too. Well, if you knew me personally for even a few minutes, the last thing you would ever be able to call me is stupid. It's just that after many years of completed education, authoring mass-published books, owning companies, and working with all sorts of humans in all sorts of capacities, I have come to the conclusion that it's not my place to advise other adults on common sense matters -- especially strangers in a public place who are obviously confident that they know exactly what they are doing. Further belying that I may not be the stupid one here, I have never left the range with my hand needing stitches, nor have I ever had another person request that I remove a muzzle from their face while fondling my guns.
Some people commented that by my not proactively offering advice to these strangers, that I am in fact stupid too. Well, if you knew me personally for even a few minutes, the last thing you would ever be able to call me is stupid. It's just that after many years of completed education, authoring mass-published books, owning companies, and working with all sorts of humans in all sorts of capacities, I have come to the conclusion that it's not my place to advise other adults on common sense matters -- especially strangers in a public place who are obviously confident that they know exactly what they are doing. Further belying that I may not be the stupid one here, I have never left the range with my hand needing stitches, nor have I ever had another person request that I remove a muzzle from their face while fondling my guns.
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rayra
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powderific, saw your edit, don't care how well they are doing - Delay Of Game.
And the real fault lay with the RangeMaster who allowed two batches of late-comers to delay everyone else - Let those who are Late, Wait.
And the real fault lay with the RangeMaster who allowed two batches of late-comers to delay everyone else - Let those who are Late, Wait.
Sean Smith
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Watching people being dangerously stupid and not saying anything makes you an accomplice in stupidity.
RTFM
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Futo Inu from what I gather, by not trying to assist them, you think your range time is more important then theirs?
So instead of helping, you wait and berate them here instead.
LAME.
To answer your question, would I have really helped. YES without a doubt.
And when I returned to the firing line I would have ragged on every-single-one-of-you-lazy-*****'s who you admit were"...able bodied (and) stood, watched, and tapped their feet."
Shame on you!
And now you want to come and cry on my sholder about them waisting your precious time. Step off.
Who died and left you king of the range?
The way I see it.
Your non-action then, and your complaining now make what you did Range Doofus, Part 47
RustyHammer.
Chances are good that at one time in their lives THEY DID receive INCOMING which was meant to kill them.
Instead of suggesting he throwing firecrackers at them like a dolt, you should be thanking them for our freedom and throw them a salute.
Think next time.
RTFM
So instead of helping, you wait and berate them here instead.
LAME.
To answer your question, would I have really helped. YES without a doubt.
And when I returned to the firing line I would have ragged on every-single-one-of-you-lazy-*****'s who you admit were"...able bodied (and) stood, watched, and tapped their feet."
Shame on you!
And now you want to come and cry on my sholder about them waisting your precious time. Step off.
Who died and left you king of the range?
The way I see it.
Your non-action then, and your complaining now make what you did Range Doofus, Part 47
RustyHammer.
That's just a asinine comment. Not even funny with the smiley faces added.
Chances are good that at one time in their lives THEY DID receive INCOMING which was meant to kill them.
Instead of suggesting he throwing firecrackers at them like a dolt, you should be thanking them for our freedom and throw them a salute.
Think next time.
RTFM
DamnedDirtyApe
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I live in the country, in the middle of noplace, many miles from any major metropolis.
I shoot in a clean, classy range - also in the middle of nowhere - that costs $10.00 a year for membership.
90 percent of the time I'm there, I have the entire range to myself. When there's someone else there, we are polite, considerate and helpful, and never a threat or a burden, even if we are a little slow from time to time.
Some of you urban dwellers sound like you're well on your way to strangling and eating each other.
I shoot in a clean, classy range - also in the middle of nowhere - that costs $10.00 a year for membership.
90 percent of the time I'm there, I have the entire range to myself. When there's someone else there, we are polite, considerate and helpful, and never a threat or a burden, even if we are a little slow from time to time.
Some of you urban dwellers sound like you're well on your way to strangling and eating each other.
Art Eatman
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As a Certified Old Fart of going on 70, I still hold more doors for others than folks hold for me. But, if somebody shows a bit of courtesy to my years, who am I to complain?
The real issue, seems to me, is the sitting around and not deciding to get a target in place until after other folks are ready to go back to shooting. That's inconsiderate, as had been said.
But if I'm inconsiderate of others, I really doubt they're gonna call me a nice old guy. I might not like somebody laughing at my slowness or whatever, but I'd be the one who brought it on myself. Old age does not excuse stupid behavior--mine or anybody else's.
Reverse it: I'm having to wait on some college kids who are causing the holdup. I'm gonna be grumping about a bunch of slick-eared, wet behind the ears dumbutted infants who oughta go home and get their diapers changed.
Or worse.
Art
The real issue, seems to me, is the sitting around and not deciding to get a target in place until after other folks are ready to go back to shooting. That's inconsiderate, as had been said.
But if I'm inconsiderate of others, I really doubt they're gonna call me a nice old guy. I might not like somebody laughing at my slowness or whatever, but I'd be the one who brought it on myself. Old age does not excuse stupid behavior--mine or anybody else's.
Reverse it: I'm having to wait on some college kids who are causing the holdup. I'm gonna be grumping about a bunch of slick-eared, wet behind the ears dumbutted infants who oughta go home and get their diapers changed.
Or worse.
Art
Thank you, Art.
Damn few of the 'enlightened thinkers' out there seem to grasp the concept.
At least they're omnipotent enough to claim that they can anticipate and distinguish someone who's been mentally asleep for 10 minutes will be also physically slow, and therefore, they should insist on giving aid before this doofus'es really prove themselves at the 50 yard line. And they can judge from age who's served, too. I wish they lived next door. I need a psychic mentor. It's good we have so many bright readers here circulating among the general population.
Damn few of the 'enlightened thinkers' out there seem to grasp the concept.
At least they're omnipotent enough to claim that they can anticipate and distinguish someone who's been mentally asleep for 10 minutes will be also physically slow, and therefore, they should insist on giving aid before this doofus'es really prove themselves at the 50 yard line. And they can judge from age who's served, too. I wish they lived next door. I need a psychic mentor. It's good we have so many bright readers here circulating among the general population.
Rebel Gunman HK
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Thats why I dont go to the range. Too many dumb people. I just drive away from the people, way out into the desert. Set up my own range and HAVE TO AVOID SHOOTING THE STINKIN OFF ROADERS!!! JEEZ! How do they always find me?????
powderific
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rayra-
Agreed on that point.
Agreed on that point.
Carlos Cabeza
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I guess patience ISN'T a virtue. I get as frustrated as the next guy when it comes to poor time management due to an older member of our society, but as a younger more agile person, we should give a bit of respect to the people who contributed to society in their time of agility. Slow down a bit and talk to an old guy, you'll be surprised what you can learn and the real depth of some of the stories you'll hear. As ol' papa Cabeza used to say, "When I was your age....................."
Carlos Cabeza
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Believe me, when I needed a leg up I stepped on my share of heads........
justashooter
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i think that soem of the most arrogant people i have ever met have been older men who haven't dealt well with their failing strength. some of the finest, wisest, most humble people i've ever met are men who have played better the same cards.
hopefully, i will age as well.
hopefully, i will age as well.
Wow, I really opened up a can of worms, even though I meant this to be a story-tellin thread - but that's ok.
I'll just say that those who are claiming they would have helped, may be telling the truth. BUT, they would have taken a WRONG action, IMO, because that can REALLY REALLY damage elderly people's dignity! It depends on their frame of mind, but since I don't know how they view themselves, and their frame of mind, I'm sure as hell not going to take a chance on injuring their dignity, since I *do* in fact have an extremely large measure of compassion. Sure, my grandmother was the type that would have relished some help in that situation, but my grandfather, for example, and I believe most men, view(ed) themselves as quite capable, or want to view themselves as such, regardless of their actual capabilities, and as we all know, dignity can be of the few things valuable you have left at such an advanced age. So, am I compassionate? Yes. Did I have the decision of helping or not helping on the forefront of my mind? No. But if I had, I certainly would have come to the conclusion that there's no way in hell I'm gonna piss off these folks and harm their dignity like that. Do I think it's a good idea for ANYONE to help in that exact situation? Men, no. Ladies, maybe. Was I making fun of thier infirmity. No - sorry it came across like that - like I said, it was a "cute funny", and frustrating at the same time. Will *I* be more respectful of other people's time when I'm at that age? You bet your last nickel I will. Are people here being too sensitive - maybe; maybe not - I personally think so, but then again perhaps my chosen descriptive words were in fact a little insensitive to the older generation - I'm sorry for that. But some of yous guys call yourselves geezers and old farts, so why can't I use those terms? Maybe you should join the PC crowd who thinks it's ok for blacks to call themselves the N word, but no one else - same idea. I use geezers and such as endearing terms - in fact, I've said that I myself am an OFIT (old fart in training). So it ain't derogatory - sheesh - everyone's gone PC on me. The general gist of my post holds true - As I said, inconsiderate is inconsiderate regardless of age. Unless you have advanced Alzheimer's or similar, in which case you wouldn't be at the range to begin with. In any event, the discussion has some value.
I'll just say that those who are claiming they would have helped, may be telling the truth. BUT, they would have taken a WRONG action, IMO, because that can REALLY REALLY damage elderly people's dignity! It depends on their frame of mind, but since I don't know how they view themselves, and their frame of mind, I'm sure as hell not going to take a chance on injuring their dignity, since I *do* in fact have an extremely large measure of compassion. Sure, my grandmother was the type that would have relished some help in that situation, but my grandfather, for example, and I believe most men, view(ed) themselves as quite capable, or want to view themselves as such, regardless of their actual capabilities, and as we all know, dignity can be of the few things valuable you have left at such an advanced age. So, am I compassionate? Yes. Did I have the decision of helping or not helping on the forefront of my mind? No. But if I had, I certainly would have come to the conclusion that there's no way in hell I'm gonna piss off these folks and harm their dignity like that. Do I think it's a good idea for ANYONE to help in that exact situation? Men, no. Ladies, maybe. Was I making fun of thier infirmity. No - sorry it came across like that - like I said, it was a "cute funny", and frustrating at the same time. Will *I* be more respectful of other people's time when I'm at that age? You bet your last nickel I will. Are people here being too sensitive - maybe; maybe not - I personally think so, but then again perhaps my chosen descriptive words were in fact a little insensitive to the older generation - I'm sorry for that. But some of yous guys call yourselves geezers and old farts, so why can't I use those terms? Maybe you should join the PC crowd who thinks it's ok for blacks to call themselves the N word, but no one else - same idea. I use geezers and such as endearing terms - in fact, I've said that I myself am an OFIT (old fart in training). So it ain't derogatory - sheesh - everyone's gone PC on me. The general gist of my post holds true - As I said, inconsiderate is inconsiderate regardless of age. Unless you have advanced Alzheimer's or similar, in which case you wouldn't be at the range to begin with. In any event, the discussion has some value.
Carlos Cabeza
My post was not directed at you.........I was just making a general observation.
FWIW.......I think those older folks at the range were rude......thay had time to place their targets when everyone else did.......they waited until it was time for the range to go "Hot" again before calling for "Time" to set their targets.............RUDE! And for what it's worth again, I'm 71 YO.
My post was not directed at you.........I was just making a general observation.
FWIW.......I think those older folks at the range were rude......thay had time to place their targets when everyone else did.......they waited until it was time for the range to go "Hot" again before calling for "Time" to set their targets.............RUDE! And for what it's worth again, I'm 71 YO.
NIGHTWATCH
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I would have screamed OPEN FIRE! the moment they hit the 101 yard mark.
JUST KIDDING!
JUST KIDDING!
Carlos Cabeza
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Thanks Gunner, I mistook your words as an implication of weakness on my post. I do know the arrogant old guy type but generally find that in my encounters with the older generation, the arrogance is not realized, but is perceived by some to be. I really miss my old Grandad. He taught me so many valuable principles and codes of moral and ethical conduct. I am sorry if some here do not view our geriatric members of society as assets, but I for one am thankful for the genuine efforts they have provided in the past, much of which seem to be lacking in todays younger generation of people.
rayra
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"REALLY REALLY damage elderly people's dignity"
Horse????. If they've got more gray hair than I do, and they haven't yet developed a little calus on thier souls, it ISN'T my lookout. They should have been told to wait. They should have been assisted, and told the reason they were being assisted - for delaying everyone else.
"damage elderly people's dignity" - same kind of nonsense thinking that lets those dangerous elderly keep driving themselves.
Horse????. If they've got more gray hair than I do, and they haven't yet developed a little calus on thier souls, it ISN'T my lookout. They should have been told to wait. They should have been assisted, and told the reason they were being assisted - for delaying everyone else.
"damage elderly people's dignity" - same kind of nonsense thinking that lets those dangerous elderly keep driving themselves.
C.R.Sam
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Inconsiderate. Uninformed. Etc.
Found in all age groups.
I am in Art's age group and agree with his post.
I help where I can.
I accept help if needed.
I appreciate offers of help.
Now....there have been a few times where this thread has gotten pretty hostile.
Let us ALL show some consideration and be CIVIL to each other.
Or take it to email.
Sam
Found in all age groups.
I am in Art's age group and agree with his post.
I help where I can.
I accept help if needed.
I appreciate offers of help.
Now....there have been a few times where this thread has gotten pretty hostile.
Let us ALL show some consideration and be CIVIL to each other.
Or take it to email.
Sam
spacemanspiff
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well i dont have stories of old fogies holding up range time, but i will say this much.....
those older shooters out there often have better advice to give a green wet-behind-the-ears youngin like myself, than a bakers dozen of 25 yr old ex-ranger-delta-force-down-on-their-luck-so-bad-they-are-regulated-to-being-rentacops-at the mall do.
one day i was at the range, as usual minding my own...this shooter to my left a couple lanes over were slightly bemused at the 3 shooters who kept calling a cold range every 20 rounds to inspect the target set out at 15 feet. took a closer look, and the three of them were marking off their shots. guess they didnt want to pony up the dollar for five targets so they could each take one home to admire.
the range i go to usually has a RO calling everything, and sometimes people will just be walking up to the line with their target stands and whatnot all ready to go when the RO calls the line hot. but if it was just us shooters regulating ourselves, its a given that we all would have waited for the fresh faces to get set up. we have more patience than the RO seems to have.
i went to the range saturday...watched as a group of four (3 guys, 1 girl) were shooting a blackhawk .44 that had a scope. they were having problems of some sort, i didnt bother to listen too closely, i was pre-occupied with my finest group ever that really isnt worth bragging about here, but anyways...i looked at these kids target after they left. at 15 feet, there wasnt a single shot inside the 7 ring.
those older shooters out there often have better advice to give a green wet-behind-the-ears youngin like myself, than a bakers dozen of 25 yr old ex-ranger-delta-force-down-on-their-luck-so-bad-they-are-regulated-to-being-rentacops-at the mall do.
one day i was at the range, as usual minding my own...this shooter to my left a couple lanes over were slightly bemused at the 3 shooters who kept calling a cold range every 20 rounds to inspect the target set out at 15 feet. took a closer look, and the three of them were marking off their shots. guess they didnt want to pony up the dollar for five targets so they could each take one home to admire.
the range i go to usually has a RO calling everything, and sometimes people will just be walking up to the line with their target stands and whatnot all ready to go when the RO calls the line hot. but if it was just us shooters regulating ourselves, its a given that we all would have waited for the fresh faces to get set up. we have more patience than the RO seems to have.
i went to the range saturday...watched as a group of four (3 guys, 1 girl) were shooting a blackhawk .44 that had a scope. they were having problems of some sort, i didnt bother to listen too closely, i was pre-occupied with my finest group ever that really isnt worth bragging about here, but anyways...i looked at these kids target after they left. at 15 feet, there wasnt a single shot inside the 7 ring.
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