Carlos Cabeza
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Well I'd call that damn good shootin'..........Cowboy.
with a Glock no less !!!! J/K..
with a Glock no less !!!! J/K..
(OH) Officer Could Be Charged For Killing Alleged Burglar (15 shots/14 hits)
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Ebbtide
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According to the whole story (gathered from the paper and the local news), it was at night, the BG was breaking into the detached garage, the cop heard a noise, got up... and the rest is history. No weapons were found on BG. Also, it was reported that the BG was not even on the property when shot (the garage butted up against an alley).
There have been too many unjustified and questionable police shootings here in the Big Plum. It is a problem and it looks like this policeman and another who is currently charged criminally, will be the examples.
It is getting lkike L.A. here and I don't see it getting any better.
Your pick, the whole city (and most inner ring suburbs) is a turd hole at 10:00 on a friday night. The BG was obviously a dumb one. We Clevelanders stoped storing anything worth stealing in garages 25 years ago.
There have been too many unjustified and questionable police shootings here in the Big Plum. It is a problem and it looks like this policeman and another who is currently charged criminally, will be the examples.
It is getting lkike L.A. here and I don't see it getting any better.
Your pick, the whole city (and most inner ring suburbs) is a turd hole at 10:00 on a friday night. The BG was obviously a dumb one. We Clevelanders stoped storing anything worth stealing in garages 25 years ago.
Double Naught got close. Here's the rest:
If the homeowner was indeed home, then he wasn't being burgled. In this instance, the burgler is now a robber, or at least a trespasser. That he was an attacker also does not diminish his concurrent classification.
So, "Alleged Burgler" is way off base. A more accurate description of the deceased would be "intruder".
Tall Man
If the homeowner was indeed home, then he wasn't being burgled. In this instance, the burgler is now a robber, or at least a trespasser. That he was an attacker also does not diminish his concurrent classification.
So, "Alleged Burgler" is way off base. A more accurate description of the deceased would be "intruder".
Tall Man
jimpeel
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Sounds to me like he reverted to his training to empty his weapon to place the prepetrator in the maximum fear of his safety and thus disallow him a fearless response.
Double Naught Spy
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Of course, one of the benefits is that this bad guy will not learn from his mistake and go on to be better prepared to burgle, rob, attack, harm, or otherwise abuse some other human being.
Don't get me wrong, not all bad guys need to be shot. But if they are engaged in a crime that turns violent, it was their gamble and some simply lose.
Don't get me wrong, not all bad guys need to be shot. But if they are engaged in a crime that turns violent, it was their gamble and some simply lose.
DeltaElite
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Sure they do. OOPS, did I say that out loud?
TexasVet
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There is another point to the law in many juristictions. If any of the first shots can be considered "fatal" shots, then ALL the subsequent shots literally don't count.
El Tejon:
FWIW, our policy is that shootings by LEOs are presented to the prosecutor who may (his option) present it to the GJ. They usually do, I think, just to avoid any appearance of impropriety.
They might carry, but they'd be staking their job on Ye Olde Affirmative Defense. And more than one prosecutor has peeved and aggrieved his Loyal Knights often enough that they would not suffer a felony to be commited by said Tilecrawler on their lands. In short, it would be a bad idea indeed, and a probable avenue to the wonderful land of government largesse (aka, unemployment).
I agree...good shooting. I want to know more 411 before I make a decision as to the propriety of the shoot, however. Something is amiss here, but it could have zilch to do with Toomey.
Mike
OK, you lost me.
AFAIK, yes. Its generally considered bad form, old boy, but it can be done. If the prosecutor is going forward with this, it is possible that there is More To This Story Than What We Have Before Us...or the DA is a ninny, one or the other. *shrug* OR...they are in CYA mode and want to avoid the appearance of impropriety and will present it to the GJ just to wash their hands of it. Though if that was the case, why is the Assistant Prosecutor making those statements? Hmmmm....
FWIW, our policy is that shootings by LEOs are presented to the prosecutor who may (his option) present it to the GJ. They usually do, I think, just to avoid any appearance of impropriety.
In The Buckeye Empire CCW is restricted to sworn Knights of the Realm, referred to by the uncouth name of 'Peace Officers.' Peace Officers have to go through the state-mandated training course and be actual LEOs. Prosecutors are not Knights of the Realm.
They might carry, but they'd be staking their job on Ye Olde Affirmative Defense. And more than one prosecutor has peeved and aggrieved his Loyal Knights often enough that they would not suffer a felony to be commited by said Tilecrawler on their lands. In short, it would be a bad idea indeed, and a probable avenue to the wonderful land of government largesse (aka, unemployment).Indeed they are, but they are not sworn peace officers, so if they do carry, it would have to be openly. Or illegally
I agree...good shooting. I want to know more 411 before I make a decision as to the propriety of the shoot, however. Something is amiss here, but it could have zilch to do with Toomey.
Mike
Leadbutt
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You know the crying shame is crap like this,is brought up in the training acdemys around the country and new officers take this to heart and some will end up dead,due to the fact that they are just to scared to pull a weapon and use it when the should
El Tejon
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Mike, thanks much. Of course, do not deal at all with Ohio law. But that is shocking. How did the marquis cut themselves out like that, geez?
bluff/trap=call grand jury, doubledog dare the copper to take the stand, copper goes into g.j. room with his attorney present (can still do the shuffle) and runs his mouth instead of taking 5, PA has pre-trial statement to hang copper with and files charges despite what g.j. sez. Just asking whether something like that would be possible over there or not.
bluff/trap=call grand jury, doubledog dare the copper to take the stand, copper goes into g.j. room with his attorney present (can still do the shuffle) and runs his mouth instead of taking 5, PA has pre-trial statement to hang copper with and files charges despite what g.j. sez. Just asking whether something like that would be possible over there or not.
Ah, I see. Generally the Popo, being equipped with non-defective counsel, keep their yaps shut at GJ stage. I think. Haven't been there, thank God, myself.
And I'm not sure how the prosecutors allowed themselves to be excluded from the CCW situation. Maybe they honestly believe Guns Are Bad.
Mike
And I'm not sure how the prosecutors allowed themselves to be excluded from the CCW situation. Maybe they honestly believe Guns Are Bad.
Mike
dance varmint
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Aside from this cop's legal problem, does anyone else question the tactic of 14/15 shots to COM, as we seem to understand it from the sketchy facts? Why not use the zipper approach? I'd prefer to be up to his head by shot 5. There isn't time to mess around. The perp obviously would have died either way, but I'd rather stop him faster.
El Tejon
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Mike, good to know that po-po are paying attention. "What's the best thing to say? NOTHING!"
I cannot imagine how the marquis failed to allow themselves to be disarmed like common serfs. Maybe the Ohio Association of Marquis needs a new legislative director?
IME, lots of shots that "hit"=lots of edgers or plastic, fantastic tissue.
I cannot imagine how the marquis failed to allow themselves to be disarmed like common serfs. Maybe the Ohio Association of Marquis needs a new legislative director?
IME, lots of shots that "hit"=lots of edgers or plastic, fantastic tissue.
Double Naught Spy
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dance varmint, the 'zipper' approach is really a machine gun technique. Had it been artillary, the suggestion would have been that he 'walk it in' to the head. Either way, you are assuming that the head is readily available and that may not have been the case. Ideally, you shoot what is most destructive to the bad guy that he had made available to you while trying to keep errant rounds down to a minimum. It can be a lot easier to hit a moving body than a moving head and with every round fired being your responsibility, sustained fire on the body may be the best tactic given the situation. It may be that the shots were all fired while the two were grappling and hence no chance of shooting the head was presented. If you try zippering or walking it in to the head while you are tied up with the guy, then you may be zippering or walking across yourself on the way to the guy's head.
Of course we know from the SEALs thread, all that was need was 2 to the heart and one to the head, if the cop had been a seal anyway.
Of course we know from the SEALs thread, all that was need was 2 to the heart and one to the head, if the cop had been a seal anyway.
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hit 14 times?
Oh man I bet that guy was feeling the pain!
maybe he was jacked up on something?
I bet he wasnt pretty after that.
Oh man I bet that guy was feeling the pain!
maybe he was jacked up on something?
I bet he wasnt pretty after that.
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