Oh this is rich, ruin a Glock with a lever "safety"

[Echo9]

Yeah, M1911A1, Beretta 92FS, Hk USP, Browning Hi Power, CZ75 B... All complete garbage for dangerous amateurs.

 

[Prion]

Echo9, they are not complete garbage, fine pistols for sure. The safeties on the da/sa models above might qualify as garbage only because of their complete waste of space on those guns.

The Hi-Power and 1911 are single action so they need a manual safety.

The Beretta safety can be justified because it is necessary to fill the stupid military requirement for a manual safety.

As for Glocks, I'm a recent convert and absolutely love the lack of a manual safety. Knowing my defensive sidearm will go boom when I need it to makes me feel safer, not in danger.

 

[Fastcast]

Prion, CZ-75 manual safety is disabled when in C2 and can be carried cocked & locked in C1, like the 1911.....Sounds like the best of both worlds so why is it a waste of space?

I still contend, that those who believe swiping a manual safety on the draw is too difficult to accomplish with any efficiency, are mostly likely not the type to hit their target under pressure anyway.

 

[Fastcast]

M1910:

Ole, Mr. Browning sure knew how to design a beautiful pistol!

 

[earlthegoat2]

Yeah, M1911A1, Beretta 92FS, Hk USP, Browning Hi Power, CZ75 B... All complete garbage for dangerous amateurs.

Yeah, fellas read this more closely.

Nope, not a hint of tongue in cheek.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I didn't say all handguns Reaper, the 1910 looks like it was what was submitted to the military trials.

 

[scaatylobo]

The ONLY safety that my guns need are the ones I was born with.

BRAIN and trigger finger.

I have carried a Glock for well over 12 years and a dept copy [ S&W Sigma ] for at least as long with NO AD's.

The only rounds that have been fired are INTENTIONAL ones.

If you need a manual safety ,get one !.

 

[Magnumite]

Well, according to the OP, the 1911 and 1911-A1 Colts were produced by and used by a wonderworld group of dolts. The US Army mandated a grip safety. Both Winchester and Marlin put a cross bolt safety on their lever guns after Winchester was involved a law which centered around a rifle with "no" safety. I guess all those subsequent buyers were dolts for not buying a pre-crossbolt safety gun.

Furthermore, the OP didn't read the article on the sight completely. No one less than Massad Ayoob recommends it to lessen likelihood of a police officer being killed with their own weapon if the officer is disarmed by a suspect.

Just because one may put a safety onto a pistol does not mean they are unsafe operators. One should consider that before referencing individuals who install such devices as less then he. If I am not mistaken, there was a legitimate reason that safety was devoloped in the first place. Imagine seeing an owner of a Glock with that safety installed shoot in the lane next to the OP...

 

[danez71]

Now you're reaching.

A car owner can disable the brake-before-shifting feature?

I was refering to a thumb safety; not the brake before shifting feature in cars. You read my post opposite of what I meant.

To all the people who bash external safeties on Glocks, are you aware that Glock does in fact build runs from time to time that have external safeties to meet an organization's requirements?

LOL..... I forgot about that. Great point. But it wont matter to those that think no thumb safety is the end all be all of pistol design.

 

[Hangingrock]

With out being argumentative if one requires an additional external lever safety to the Glock standard configuration then simply acquire a different pistol. I guess the S&W MP series pistol with the option “Lock with Levers” configuration would sooth ruffled feathers.

 

[danez71]

With out being argumentative if one requires an additional external lever safety to the Glock standard configuration then simply acquire a different pistol.

I wonder why glock didnt say that to their customers that wanted a glock with a manual safety?

 

[Loosedhorse]

if one requires an additional external lever safety to the Glock standard configuration then simply acquire a different pistol.

One of the Glocks I put the safety on is a G20 (10mm)--exactly which comparable pistol are you suggesting I buy instead?

It intrigues me that this thread has a resource that knows a lot about these safeties (has used then, taken them apart, unistalled them, re-installed them), and (having actually decided to pay for two of them) clearly has a different perspective than the prevailing one. And yet no curiosity about a different point of view is expressed.

It's a least comforting to see (in most of you) an acceptance that someone who chooses a different path than you may actually have good reason--but there is an awful lot of confidence about what the theoretical best choice for someone else should be.

Experts.

 

[danez71]

Loosedhorse,
Agreed.

I had almost decided on a G26 and installing that safety. But the trigger reach was still a concern for me and I was hesistant for that reason.

Then, the MP9c came out with the thumb safety option. Shorter trigger reach. Problem solved for ME.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

It's kind of funny to see Glock owners get all in a fuss about adding an additional safety to their firearm... "Glock Leg" didn't get coined by accident. Yes yes, I'm sure it's because some people just can't follow the rules. Odd how it seems to gravitate towards one type of firearm more than others. I mean, I've never heard of Beretta foot or Makarov thigh.

 

[Mike J]

For some reason this thread reminds me of the words of a Hank Williams Jr. song, "If you mind your own business then you wont be minding mine".

 

[Paul7]

Another vote for the idea that that little thingy sticking out from a Glock trigger is a gimmick, not a safety. Jeff Cooper said he couldn't even imagine a situation where it would be effective. In other words, if something can accidently put pressure on the trigger, said little thingy will be pressed as well.

 

[SuperNaut]

All these people so very concerned about what other people like on their firearms. It must be Fashion Week.

 

[kalashnikov74]

You see why us glock owners don't think that a manual safety is neccesary is because it's not for our carry methods.

When carrying any handgun I carry double actions and a safe action glock. I don't use a safety on either, so long as I'm not stupid with the trigger, am aware of what is near to it, and have a holster that covers the trigger, the gun will not go off.

The only safety I need is my trigger finger, a good holster and awareness.

If you feel you cannot consistantly maintain all this then a manual safety is neccessary for you. However for the rest of us, not so much.

 

[kalashnikov74]

Paul7,

The glock safe action is not a regular safety and is not marketed as such. The gun will not go off unless the front safe action release is pulled there are 3 internal safeties that are disengaged making it impossible to fire unless pressed. Making it safer than alot of manual safeties.

Again so long as you're not stupid with the trigger.

 

[Paul7]

K74 - Basically what you're saying is if something pulls the trigger the gun goes off. That was Col. Cooper's point.

 

[daorhgih]

"If it floats your boat."

At the range a while ago I was all alone with my Eagle in .41- and .44-mag. Just getting the feel of the set (report, later) when another fellow came in to my right. I had taken the farthest left, just, as in this case, someone else arrived and needed the room. We exchange hi-signs and kept to ourselves. He was practicing draws from various positions, and had a Glock, easily identifiable by its "Perfection In Ugliness." Each time he drew and pulled, I noticed something fly out in my direction, hitting the concrete about 2-ft from his stand. He'd retrieve it and draw again. After 6 or 8 draws with this happening each time, I waved at him and took off my muffs. "Is something falling off of your Glock, or what!?" He came over with the Glock, and the "thingie" in his hand, and explained: it was a milk-jug bottle-cap he had whittled into a perfect trigger-blocking "thingie" at his girl-friend's request, to completely jam the trigger from firing. As he drew, the piece popped right out with just minimal trigger-finger pressure ... not a microsecond of time wasted in flipping up anything like a manual safety. He said he was working on a patent. If I hadn't seen how he did it, I might buy one, but it's so easy to whittle up my own, so .... Dao.

 

[Loosedhorse]

us glock owners

I am a Glock owner. Our points of view are different.

If you feel you cannot consistantly maintain all this then a manual safety is neccessary for you.

That is certainly one reason that someone might choose a manual safety--is it the only one you can think of?

Pity that poor, stupid-fingered Mikhail Kalashnikov, who didn't realize that manual safeties are unnecessary if you are careful!

He said he was working on a patent.

He may want to check with Saf-T-Blok first.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

I'm not exactly sure what about this topic makes people feel so passionate and react to someone posting different views as though they walked in your house, kicked your dog, and called your kids ugly, but I think everyone should just settle down a bit.