And that is an often overlooked good point.
At the moment I am working with a nearby lady neighbor who has a medical condition that makes control, and the ability to use the double-action trigger pull on her Ruger SP-101 questionable.
OK, Tell the Truth! Do You Carry a .32 Revolver for CCW ?
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And that is an often overlooked good point.
At the moment I am working with a nearby lady neighbor who has a medical condition that makes control, and the ability to use the double-action trigger pull on her Ruger SP-101 questionable.
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That suspender rig is from Perry suspenders,,,, work great.
Recoil is important to some
FUFF,
I agree on the point of recoil.
Before my Dad passed away, he asked me to take him shooting. I gave him a TAURUS .38 Special about 20 years ago as a house gun. Even with wadcutters, it was tiring for him to shoot.
I eventually bought an H&R .32 S&W Long revolver for him to practice with at the range, but he never got to shoot it.
When I took it out for a session at the range, I was quite surprised at how pleasant it was to shoot. A box of .32S&W (NOT LONG) from MAGTECH was like shooting the .22 rimfire round. Recoil is relevant.
I hope I never have to protect myself with a .32 S&W Long, because I have not seen any ammo sold that I consider an effective round in the .32 S&W Long, but it beats fists, especially older ones or a club!
I did try some .32ACP hollowpoint in my H&R, but the groups were twice the size of the .32 S&W Long ammo.
REALGUN, you should check out some of the local BRANDISHING LAWS. If you show a gun, even by accident, it can get you arrested for brandishing.
In Florida, it can cost you a criminal conviction, possible jail time and your ability to carry concealed.
When I worked in MONTANA, my carry gun was a BERETTA 96D. It worked great under a vest or jacket, but MONTANA is not FLORIDA, especially in the summer.
Also, if you think that carrying a .32ACP is a false sense of security, I think that being on the receiving end of accurate shots to the torso and head with either the .32ACP Hydra Shok or Powerball is truly being unsecure, if not downright dangerous!
I carried a .32ACP WALTHER PPK for over a year because it gave me the best combination of power, control (I also have a BERETTA Tomcat .32ACP), practical accuracy AND CONCEALABILITY. The BERETTA was more concealable, but less controllable because of the small size and thus had less practical accuracy.
I found that I could shoot the same qualification course that my employer requires with our .40 S&W H&K 2000 pistols and score just as well using the WALTHER PPK, sometimes better.
My street load with .32ACP pistols is a FEDERAL Hydra Shok in the chamber and a full magazine of COR BON Powerball. Both will expand, but the Hydra Shok will penetrate better. The negative was feed reliability with the Hydra Shok. The Powerball will feed in anything.
I did not choose the .32ACP as the best choice, but for me, it was simply the best choice of what was available.
I tried some of the mini-9's and vowed to never shoot one again. It was just too painful. I ended up switching over to a GLOCK 42 in .380ACP because the recoil is mild enough with the GLOCK 42, that my control and accuracy are uneffected. I consider the .380ACP a nice step up from the .32ACP and will try out the GLOCK 43 when it becomes available to see if it is also has the control and accuracy I require.
It will probably be larger than the GLOCK 42, so that may way against it.
Normally, I would call a 4 inch barreled .38 Special loaded with +P hollowpoints or a 9m.m. loaded with hollowpoints as my minimum for self defense, but while both of those are practical and effective for me, they may not be for others or for the situations they find themselves.
Jim
FUFF,
I agree on the point of recoil.
Before my Dad passed away, he asked me to take him shooting. I gave him a TAURUS .38 Special about 20 years ago as a house gun. Even with wadcutters, it was tiring for him to shoot.
I eventually bought an H&R .32 S&W Long revolver for him to practice with at the range, but he never got to shoot it.
When I took it out for a session at the range, I was quite surprised at how pleasant it was to shoot. A box of .32S&W (NOT LONG) from MAGTECH was like shooting the .22 rimfire round. Recoil is relevant.
I hope I never have to protect myself with a .32 S&W Long, because I have not seen any ammo sold that I consider an effective round in the .32 S&W Long, but it beats fists, especially older ones or a club!
I did try some .32ACP hollowpoint in my H&R, but the groups were twice the size of the .32 S&W Long ammo.
REALGUN, you should check out some of the local BRANDISHING LAWS. If you show a gun, even by accident, it can get you arrested for brandishing.
In Florida, it can cost you a criminal conviction, possible jail time and your ability to carry concealed.
When I worked in MONTANA, my carry gun was a BERETTA 96D. It worked great under a vest or jacket, but MONTANA is not FLORIDA, especially in the summer.
Also, if you think that carrying a .32ACP is a false sense of security, I think that being on the receiving end of accurate shots to the torso and head with either the .32ACP Hydra Shok or Powerball is truly being unsecure, if not downright dangerous!
I carried a .32ACP WALTHER PPK for over a year because it gave me the best combination of power, control (I also have a BERETTA Tomcat .32ACP), practical accuracy AND CONCEALABILITY. The BERETTA was more concealable, but less controllable because of the small size and thus had less practical accuracy.
I found that I could shoot the same qualification course that my employer requires with our .40 S&W H&K 2000 pistols and score just as well using the WALTHER PPK, sometimes better.
My street load with .32ACP pistols is a FEDERAL Hydra Shok in the chamber and a full magazine of COR BON Powerball. Both will expand, but the Hydra Shok will penetrate better. The negative was feed reliability with the Hydra Shok. The Powerball will feed in anything.
I did not choose the .32ACP as the best choice, but for me, it was simply the best choice of what was available.
I tried some of the mini-9's and vowed to never shoot one again. It was just too painful. I ended up switching over to a GLOCK 42 in .380ACP because the recoil is mild enough with the GLOCK 42, that my control and accuracy are uneffected. I consider the .380ACP a nice step up from the .32ACP and will try out the GLOCK 43 when it becomes available to see if it is also has the control and accuracy I require.
It will probably be larger than the GLOCK 42, so that may way against it.
Normally, I would call a 4 inch barreled .38 Special loaded with +P hollowpoints or a 9m.m. loaded with hollowpoints as my minimum for self defense, but while both of those are practical and effective for me, they may not be for others or for the situations they find themselves.
Jim
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No, but I do carry a .32ACP Seecamp at times.
Well I'm glad someone does.
I showed her a Taurus Ultra-Lite .38 Special. From her perspective it was better then the .357 Ruger SP-101 she has because it's lighter, but while this is advantageous, it would exuberate the recoil issue, and the double-action trigger pull still isn't as light as she would like.
She does like Ruger's because she once owned a Mini-14 (!!), but age has taken its toll. Unfortunately they apparently don't offer the little LCR in .32 H&R Magnum or .327 Magnum. In either chambering it would easily handle .32 S&W Long, that is available with a full-wadcutter version.
She is open to pistols, but racking a slide could be a problem. She will keep the SP-101 until she is absolutely sure a better solution has been found.
This situation is not going to get better as the "Baby Boomer" generation ages, but it seems to be attracting very little interest. :banghead:
I have OC'ed a .32-20 Colt OP. Wish they had offered it with a 2 or 3 inch barrel, it's a dandy shooter.
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Yep.
Tanshanomi
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Funny this should pop up on the active thread list; I'm scheduled to pick up my new .32 Mag Charter Arms Undercoverette in Stainless from my local FFL on Monday.
I am getting it for the same reason as many of the folks here. I currently have a Ruger LCR .38Spl that I really like, but I have chronic tendonitis in my right wrist, and the LCR is not something I like to shoot at the range for very long. My other revolver is .22WMR. I've never had a small-bore (under .38) centerfire before, but my wife gave me a .22TCM 1911 for Christmas that I absolutely love, and it's given me an itch for a gentler centerfire revolver. The .32H&R Mag splits the difference: centerfire, and a valid choice for CCW, but still (hopefully) fun for recreational shooting. Also, with a choice of .32 S&W, .32 Long and & .32 H&R Mag, I have a really wide range of muzzle energies to choose from, depending on how my wrist is doing on a particular day (and what other guns I've been shooting). From what I have read, .32 S&W (short)'s muzzle energy and velocity is similar to .22LR. I am very eager to get all three and spend some time at the range.
I am getting it for the same reason as many of the folks here. I currently have a Ruger LCR .38Spl that I really like, but I have chronic tendonitis in my right wrist, and the LCR is not something I like to shoot at the range for very long. My other revolver is .22WMR. I've never had a small-bore (under .38) centerfire before, but my wife gave me a .22TCM 1911 for Christmas that I absolutely love, and it's given me an itch for a gentler centerfire revolver. The .32H&R Mag splits the difference: centerfire, and a valid choice for CCW, but still (hopefully) fun for recreational shooting. Also, with a choice of .32 S&W, .32 Long and & .32 H&R Mag, I have a really wide range of muzzle energies to choose from, depending on how my wrist is doing on a particular day (and what other guns I've been shooting). From what I have read, .32 S&W (short)'s muzzle energy and velocity is similar to .22LR. I am very eager to get all three and spend some time at the range.
I am in the same boat
Fuff,
My wife cannot rack the slide, but she is also having problems with pulling the double action trigger. My step son told her to get a j-frame and that would do. I showed her a j-frame, a model 36 and she had the same problem that she had with the CHARTER ARMS Undercover I gave here years ago, the trigger reach.
So now she keeps a BERETTA Tomcat handy. It is weak, we all agree, but beats a fist or golf club and she can load or clear it by flipping up the barrel and dropping in a round or unload it by dropping it out.
I told her to think of it as a 20 foot long ice pick. Start at center mass, then switch to head shots. What is funny, is that many years ago, she used to have to qualify for the U.S. MARSHALL'S service. Age can be a real pain!
I like shooting a .32 S&W long, but as long as I can cycle a 9m.m., that will be my primary defense gun. I like the power, accuracy and ammo capacity.
If that becomes a problem for me, I will downgrade gradually. I will switch to a mid size .38 Special or .380ACP with a large magazine capacity and not be too worried.
A standard pressure .38 Special in a 2 1/4 pound revolver will not be much worse than a j-frame using .32 S&W Long, but it will be much harder to conceal. It might make a good house or car gun, though!
I will keep my eye out for a H&R chambered for .32 H&R Magnum. They seem to be as rare as hens teeth. It would be great if someone got S&W to make a run of K-frames with 4 inch barrels in .32 H&R Mag!
Jim
Fuff,
My wife cannot rack the slide, but she is also having problems with pulling the double action trigger. My step son told her to get a j-frame and that would do. I showed her a j-frame, a model 36 and she had the same problem that she had with the CHARTER ARMS Undercover I gave here years ago, the trigger reach.
So now she keeps a BERETTA Tomcat handy. It is weak, we all agree, but beats a fist or golf club and she can load or clear it by flipping up the barrel and dropping in a round or unload it by dropping it out.
I told her to think of it as a 20 foot long ice pick. Start at center mass, then switch to head shots. What is funny, is that many years ago, she used to have to qualify for the U.S. MARSHALL'S service. Age can be a real pain!
I like shooting a .32 S&W long, but as long as I can cycle a 9m.m., that will be my primary defense gun. I like the power, accuracy and ammo capacity.
If that becomes a problem for me, I will downgrade gradually. I will switch to a mid size .38 Special or .380ACP with a large magazine capacity and not be too worried.
A standard pressure .38 Special in a 2 1/4 pound revolver will not be much worse than a j-frame using .32 S&W Long, but it will be much harder to conceal. It might make a good house or car gun, though!
I will keep my eye out for a H&R chambered for .32 H&R Magnum. They seem to be as rare as hens teeth. It would be great if someone got S&W to make a run of K-frames with 4 inch barrels in .32 H&R Mag!
Jim
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Not only have I carried one for CCW, also for a back up, on occasion as a primary service revolver ( qualified 289 of 300 with it ) BUT I was arrested on a bogus brandishing charge in Alexandria Va, beat the rap and got the gun back.... aquis est la pruebo - http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/carry_warn.htm
I'll post a pic of my Colt in a few. As a kit gun it's surprisingly good, that short barrel is pitted, the sight leans left and I'm not that great. A pistol that shoots 1" at 25 yds I'll get just under 3" reliably. But this little thing is a pointer out to about 60 feet. Don't know why, not everybody shoots it well including some folks I wouldn't shoot against for matchsticks.
Edit - here she is with the same pocket holster and the sneaky little spyderco they never found on me that day, mag lite is 21st century artifact though
I'll post a pic of my Colt in a few. As a kit gun it's surprisingly good, that short barrel is pitted, the sight leans left and I'm not that great. A pistol that shoots 1" at 25 yds I'll get just under 3" reliably. But this little thing is a pointer out to about 60 feet. Don't know why, not everybody shoots it well including some folks I wouldn't shoot against for matchsticks.
Edit - here she is with the same pocket holster and the sneaky little spyderco they never found on me that day, mag lite is 21st century artifact though
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You will really like the undercoverette. I bought mine about 6 months ago and every time I shoot it I like it more and more. There are no speedloaders for it but you can buy speed strips for it at MidwayUSA.Funny this should pop up on the active thread list; I'm scheduled to pick up my new .32 Mag Charter Arms Undercoverette in Stainless from my local FFL on Monday.
I am getting it for the same reason as many of the folks here. I currently have a Ruger LCR .38Spl that I really like, but I have chronic tendonitis in my right wrist, and the LCR is not something I like to shoot at the range for very long. My other revolver is .22WMR. I've never had a small-bore (under .38) centerfire before, but my wife gave me a .22TCM 1911 for Christmas that I absolutely love, and it's given me an itch for a gentler centerfire revolver. The .32H&R Mag splits the difference: centerfire, and a valid choice for CCW, but still (hopefully) fun for recreational shooting. Also, with a choice of .32 S&W, .32 Long and & .32 H&R Mag, I have a really wide range of muzzle energies to choose from, depending on how my wrist is doing on a particular day (and what other guns I've been shooting). From what I have read, .32 S&W (short)'s muzzle energy and velocity is similar to .22LR. I am very eager to get all three and spend some time at the range.
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Of all things, dad kept a Nagant revolver in his glove box. I suppose that's because the New Service didn't fit and he didn't want it stolen. Surplus Nagant ammo is pretty potent (though FMJ) and 32 Mags fit. Dad felt fine with it - though he never had to use it.
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Tanshanomi said:
Im interested in hearing a detailed range report. I have considered one of the .32 H&R revolvers from Charter for my wife. She prefers a revolver, and doesnt like a heavy recoiling pistol. I wish the Charter .32 was a 6 shot. Its kind of silly that Charter made the 327 Federal Magnum Patriot as a 6 shot, but the H&R Magnum revolvers are 5 shot.
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Just moved up (a little) from a .32 mag to the .327 mag. (SP-101) I feel comfortable with both calibers - which I can now shoot out of the same revolver.
In my semi autos I shoot the .380. I still feel fine about it.
In my semi autos I shoot the .380. I still feel fine about it.
No but my mom does. I bought her a Taurus 85 in .327 Federal before they went price crazy hoping she could at least handle the .32Mags(she is a weenie). Last I saw she had it loaded with .32 longs. Hey at least its loaded.
For what its worth, I am a complete and total believer in shot placement. I dont care what she carries as long as she can put six holes where she wants them.
For what its worth, I am a complete and total believer in shot placement. I dont care what she carries as long as she can put six holes where she wants them.
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It is the best advice to carry as big and powerful as you can still shoot accurately with. But for older people that can mean in some cases just a .22. Even those of us that carry a .44 snubby, one day it will just be too much to handle. My father can still shoot his .38 special perfectly despite his advanced age. My mother, that is another story. She cannot even pull the trigger of my fathers gun. But she can manage to shoot my .22 target pistol perfectly. The slide is so so easy to rack. I can see why some people carry less than ideal calibers. They know that, but sometimes you have to compromise.
When I grow old enough when my PT709 9mm compact pistol becomes too much for me, I would downgrade to a 380 auto but in a revolver. Just not to have to rack the slide.
I think a rather heavy revolver in 380 with a 8 round cylinder with a 3'' barrel would be a great SD firearm for older people. And when I grow even older I would perhaps even use a lowly .22 pistol.
But for now, I don't want to be caught without my 9mm pocket rocket. This is the minimum caliber I will carry while I still can.
When I grow old enough when my PT709 9mm compact pistol becomes too much for me, I would downgrade to a 380 auto but in a revolver. Just not to have to rack the slide.
I think a rather heavy revolver in 380 with a 8 round cylinder with a 3'' barrel would be a great SD firearm for older people. And when I grow even older I would perhaps even use a lowly .22 pistol.
But for now, I don't want to be caught without my 9mm pocket rocket. This is the minimum caliber I will carry while I still can.
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I've got 3 revolvers in .327 Federal magnum. Two are Rugers and one is a Taurus snub revolver.
The Taurus is a 6 shot revolver that carries http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=90 loads in it.
So do the Ruger GP-100 and the SP-101.
The SP-101 and Taurus 327 get carried together as a main and back up gun together. Or each can be carried as the main gun.
I do like to carry .327 magnum ammo in the Ruger GP-100.
The Taurus is a 6 shot revolver that carries http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=90 loads in it.
So do the Ruger GP-100 and the SP-101.
The SP-101 and Taurus 327 get carried together as a main and back up gun together. Or each can be carried as the main gun.
I do like to carry .327 magnum ammo in the Ruger GP-100.
Tanshanomi
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Will do. Expect to visit the range Friday night. Unfortunately, the .32 Shorts I ordered are backordered.
Zendude
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Will do. Expect to visit the range Friday night. Unfortunately, the .32 Shorts I ordered are backordered.
Most gun stores should have 32 H&R mag self defense ammo. They are not cheap but it would be a good idea to get the feel of these rounds in your new Charter. One box of 20 rounds should be enough. The recoil is not bad. Nowhere close to the recoil of a light 38 snub.
Tanshanomi
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Don't feel bad for me, I have plenty of ammo. So far, I've purchased the following in .32 H&R Magnum:
- 25 Hornady Critical Defense FTX
- 50 Black Hills 85 gr. JHP
- 200 Ultramax 90 gr. RN-FP
I also picked up some 32 S&W longs; 100 rounds of Priv Partizan 98 gr. lead RN cheap on Gun Broker.
I wanted the .32 shorts to try for comparison sake, but I used a Bass Pro gift card I'd been carrying around since Christmas, and they're at least 30 days out.
Gun Master
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Short answer is no, since the dimentions are different. Also, .32 ACP is semi-rimmed and the revolver .32's are rimmed.
The only exception that comes to mind is the 1895 Russian Nagant which, at one time in the past, had a .32 ACP cylinder produced for replacement of the original.
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