"Old FBI" retention position versus point shooting position

[FriedRice]

After breaking it down and discussing it here and with other very experienced shooters off the board, I've figured out I really can't get my body to do a high retention position. I've got two options, so I'm told. Something called the "old FBI" retention position from the center and essentially point shooting from a much lower position on my strong side. Due to limited mobility in the shoulder/scapula, I can't maintain a straight line between wrist and forearm (elbow in) unless I drop down to around waist high and keep the pistol slightly in front of my body. I know it's not a great retention position, but it's what I have to work with. I'm beginning to call my training at this level "guns for the rest of us," meaning people of all shapes, sizes, gender and limitations.

Does anyone have a link to what this old FBI center retention position looks like? Any opinions/facts on the pros/cons of using a center retention position versus a point shooting position? I carry AIWB so I can get to center very quickly, but I am concerned I may only get one shot off before jamming the gun. Also, wrist and gun will be in poor angle in the center. I'm up for discussion and open to further direction.

For those who don't understand how/why I got here, in this section is another recent thread of mine called "Pointers on shooting from retention."

 

[One-Time]

use a revolver, it wont jam as you cant limp wrist it

 

[autospike]

PM Inbound

 

[Matthew Temkin]

http://smimag.com/2011/01/“im-so-confused”-point-shooting-vs-front-sight-shooting/
Scroll down in the text--what you are asking about is halfway down.
This shows it from the draw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58eMKHmkfcE
This shows while putting it all together:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcc8DVRO_TU&feature=related
I'll leave it to others to ponder it's value.

 

[OldLincoln]

I am learning the CAR system (method?) of shooting. I'm a bit older and weaker and believe I have better retention and make a smaller target using this. I also have bad shoulders and find it quicker and more comfortable than traditional stances. Take a look!

This Excellent C.A.R. Video defines what and why C.A.R. works.

This one THE C.A.R. SYSTEM OF GUNFIGHTING gives some info.

 

[FriedRice]

Old Lincoln,

Thanks for posting the site. I like to see when and why things are done differently. Many people have different strengths and weaknesses compared to a super fit young male gunner. I can see applicability, but not so much for me. I tried it out and there is too much real estate up top for me for that. Nice to see folks trying different techniques though. Good luck with this.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Scroll down in the text--what you are asking about is halfway down.

I'll leave it to others to ponder it's value.

That isn't what Fried is talking about.

The FBI retention position was what we used to call, back in the 70s, the Speed Rock. It was introduced to the FBI by Bill Rogers and they used it with their 3" S&W M13s

 

[Cop Bob]

OldLincoln, One thing that I noticed about the Videos and photos posted in the links you provided, there was one common denominator... they moved or deployed the weapon as close to center of their line of sight as possible.. Interesting.. What we have taught for some time now.. I note that one part of the article they put down the isosceles stance and grip, yet all that I saw was a modification on the isosceles principle... move your weapon to your center... Never did care for the weaver personally, didn't feel natural..

9mmempathy: right, ... and man I loved those M-13's.. what a great little gun.. I have two, one in 3", and another in 4".. with a good trigger job they are wonderful