Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by 257ack, Dec 27, 2018.
any one shooting the older Remington shotguns? Which ones? opinions?
How old is old?
I shoot a TB trap grade 870 from 1975 and a Wingmaster from 1996. To me these are very new guns, but to some they may be old.
I have Model 29. I believe it was made about 1930.
Model 11 "Boer War?"
I have an old model 17 (20 gauge) that I enjoyed for many years in the dove fields, but I haven't used it lately. Great gun, but I have since grown into 12 gauge, so I use my Ithaca 37 if I feel like hunting doves with a pump.
I have two early 60"s. One is an 11-48. Its a recoil operated without the hump. I have 4 barrels for this gun. Two with cuts compensators and one trap barrel. the other is a mod 878 gas operated. It was susposed to be an improvement over the sportsman 48 and 58. I have modified some 870 barrels for this gun by drilling out gas ports. I enjoy shooting both
We have a Remington family here.......:
My dad has a very early 870, like 1951 maybe. Also a 20ga sportsman 48.
I have a 1979 1100 12 ga
, and a 1970s 870 wingmaster 12ga, a 1980s 870 trap competition, a 1990s 1100 sporting competition.
I bought #1 son a 1980ish left hand 870 12ga with two barrels.
And son #3 got a newer 870 magnum 12ga with tubes and cantilevered slug barrel.
I have a couple Model 11's I shoot once on a great while.
My 870 doesn't count as old because I remember when it was brand new in 1980.
Boer War??? nah! about 1931'ish as the serial # of the model 11 is 10013XX. I used to shoot skeet with that one as it has an imp cylinder bore and 20 gauge makes it pleasant to shoot. Now it's a back door entry discourager.
That looks like an Auto 5.
Wasn't the M11 called a Suicide Special? Wasn't that the shotgun the shooter loaded by placing the buttstock on the ground, and chambered a round by holding the end of the barrel, and pumping it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1911
Had any problems what so ever with the thing?
All of my remington 870's were issued to me starting in 1974 as I came out of the local academy and started work at my department (100 authorized we varied between 85 and 95 sworn...) down here in south florida. Those wingmasters were old when issued (and until I made sergeant you took from the rack each day or night what was available - a mix of remington and mossbergs (I preferred the Remington always... all with 18" barrels and improved cylinder chokes). All looked to have been 1960's vintage - basic riot configured blue steel 870's with four in the tube and a simple bead sight. They were hard used.... mostly in and out of a patrol car, kept in loose vertical metal racks attached to the dashboard with electro-locks... issued, loaded, then placed in the rack with action locked nothing in the chamber - four 00buck in the tube... then removed at the end of each shift, un-loaded and turned back in. They were battered and beaten, rattled a bit - but were utterly reliable. I learned to trust them completely... When I made sergeant I was finally issued a newer one (70's vintage) that was kept in the trunk of whatever vehicle I was using and only removed at the range or on any hot call. I did my best to always bring a shotgun with me on any weapons call since it was an absolute fight ender... The Police model Remington didn't come out until I was either nearing the end or after I retired from police work. The basic Wingmaster was all we had access to. These days I doubt that many agencies even still have and issue shotguns to their officers. Times change - not always for the better...
I remember those old riot guns. I retired from the Tuscaloosa PD in 1992. Only fired it at the range. When I arrived on the scene, all I had to do was rack the slide and put a round in the chamber and everything settled down. The sound of racking the slide had quite an effect.
I racked mine as I grabbed it -then went to where I was needed with my trigger finger on the safety (which was engaged) - not on the trigger. Get close enough to someone with bad intentions and when they see that big tube pointed at them it kind of cools them off right then. Can't count the number of times I pointed a shotgun at someone - ready to go... but never needed to fire a shot except on one occasion. It took me three years or so to get my head screwed back on afterwards (and that included being in and out of an inquest court for about six months...). It was still my go to weapon on hot calls for the following fifteen years until I retired out in 1995.
By the way although I've lived and worked in south Florida for many years - the closest thing I ever had to a home town - was Huntsville, Alabama (1960 t0 1968 when I went in the service...). Still have one or two family members there. Great town but entirely too far from saltwater...
Where are all the retired PD shotguns????? Never see them advertised as surplus trade ins! Right now the market seems to be flooded with Glock surplus arms.
I shoot an 870 Wingmaster 12ga for ducks, LT-20 autoloader 20ga for doves and squirrels. My son did shoot this for a year on a sporting clays and skeet team with no issues. I use my 1187auto loader 12 ga for a little bit of everything. I think they’re all 20 plus years old and have experience no failures in any of them.
The winchester model of 1911 is the one you are referring to where you have to cycle the gun with the barrel.
The picture posted is that of a Remington Model 11. A licensed version of Browning’s Automatic 5. Very different from the “Widowmaker”.
I have a Remington Model 11 from 1925, as well as a very early Model 11-48. Although both are long recoil designs, they are most certainly not the same gun.
Mine looks a little rough. The barrel has a knurled grip for cycling the action. I've heard this model had a reputation for going full auto when it got dirty or worn, don't know if it's true.
That’s the Widowmaker, alright. Glad you have it hanging on your wall where it belongs.
Had one of the JD Pedersen- designed Model 10s. Was a great pump gun which I never should have sold, though it would discharge if you pulled the trigger out of battery and THEN pushed the slide forward!
The M10 trench guns are super cool with their wood upper handguard too.
16 Gauge Model 11 Grandpa got it in 1952!
That's rare in 16 Ga
I don't know what happened to the old police riot shotguns. I assume they are still in use. They were not fired much. We had to qualify at the range every 6 months. There was a lot of loading and unloading and rough handling but not much fireing. I have not seen any for sale.
I have my dad's model 10 trap grade, but don't shoot it much because parts are hard to come by. I'll run a box through it once in a while for old tomes sake. In 1971, a friend had bought a brand new Sportsman 48 at K-Mart ($99 !), then he had a heart attack and the doctor told him no more hunting, so he sold the gun to me for $75. It was my hunting gun until 1983 when I bought my Citori. I still have the 48 and it gets used occasionally when somebody comes over for dove hunting or clay pigeons and doesn't own a shotgun.
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