Old School or New School CCW

My CCW Shield (gen 1) has a +2 mag extension giving me a 9+1 carry, with a spare mag I have 18 Gold Dots to get me home. Thats 3 reloads in the Ruger in a stressful situation. The Shield is lighter, thinner, puts “ the mostest, fastest” down range.
Hands down Shield, my CCW for 7 years.
 
Of those 2 I would choose the Shield. Heresy I realize but I tend to like semi-autos better than revolvers. The Shield is lighter, carries more ammunition & has faster reloads. 9mm ammunition is also less expensive meaning it is cheaper to practice with. It just makes more sense to me. I picked up a Ruger Max-9 this past year & I like the ease of concealment, the capacity (I carry a 10 round magazine in the pistol & a 12 round mag on my off side), & it is not difficult to shoot well once I adjusted to its smaller sized grip & added some tread tape.
 
What are your opinions on the one you'd choose to carry, or would you rotate em .
Don't have either handgun so I can't really comment on which one I would choose, but I will say that I won't rotate self-defense/carry guns unless they point the same for me and have a similar manual of arms. I need something that will come up on target and point without my having to think about it or work at it. Something that puts the sights already in alignment and means I don't have to wait to align the sights or try to find the front sight. It means that safeties operate similarly so I don't have to think about which gun I'm using to remember whether to push the safety up or down. It means that if I train to reload, the magazine release or cylinder release are in the same position on all SD/Carry guns.

It's not about preference, either. If I ever need a gun to save my life, I want it to be the best choice for the job out of the options available to me, not just a gun I like.
 
7 rounds of 9mm. Extra round and less recoil. The recoil and slower reload to me are far bigger disadvantages than the advantage of the 357s extra power.

Fully agree.

Also the 9mm is going to likely be easier to conceal and lighter for carry.
 
What are your opinions on the one you'd choose to carry, or would you rotate em .
Not sure that my opinion would be of much help. You are really the only person who lives in your situation, with your routine, your circumstances.
So, maybe rotation is exactly what you need. maybe it's not.

I'm just some numpty from Texas, where it's 64°F at quarter of two in the afternoon on the last day of the calendar year.
If I were leaving the house today (not that I have any intention of doing so) I could pick from these (these because I have a photo, not for being the extent of the possible choices--and I do have concealment holsters for them all)
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So, top to bottom:
7 rounds 45acp, nice long sight radius, decades of familiarity; heavy and long an awkward.
6 rounds 45 acp, compact form, slightly less weighr; familiar, but wants a touch of attention for recoil
12 rounds 9x19, very compact form and very light weight, points naturally, and the RDS is fast and handy; no real vices
7 rounds 9x17, compact, light, accurate, familiar; only vices are only 7 rounds and only 380.
Barring the full-size 1911, the remaining three are within 5mm in length or width, or height of each other. Probably not much more than 150-200 grams weight difference, too.

Each of those has been "right" for me. Doesn't make them right for anyone else. The SIG is currently the EDC, for being my Goldilocks.
Your mileage will vary.
 
By "rotate", I take it that you mean that you alternate between them. Why do you do that?
Well....I rotate between my carry guns all the time. Old School and New School. Depending on weather, what I'm wearing and the scenarios I think I will encounter, I either have a 1911 in a shoulder holster, a Kimber Micro .380 in a SOB holster or a S&W Model 637 in a shoulder or an ankle holster......sometimes I will have more than one.

Why?

Because I can. Having about the same proficiency with all and practicing with all regularly, I don't see myself handicapping myself with any of them. I don't tell others what to carry, so I don't listen to when others try to tell me what to carry.
 
Because I can.
You answered for someone else. Does he have the same reason?

Well, I suppose that I could, too. I make it a practice to not do so. But should the bone spur on my elbow act up and make slide-racking difficult, I would strap on a revolver
Having about the same proficiency with all and practicing with all regularly, I don't see myself handicapping myself with any of them.
I have about the same poficiency with my different handguns, too, and with ohters. But I know this: when I pick up my 1911-type firearm from the bench in front of me, or my S&W EZ that does not have a safety "switch", or my friend's Colt 1908 that does, or a DA/SA pistol, I see exactly which one I am picking up, and I handle it as it was designed. BUT: when I have to draw a handgun from concealment rapidly in the gravest extreme, I do not want tor rely on remembering what i strapped on that day, or to take the time to remember how to operate the firearm. There is too much at stake

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An excellent point. Whatever manual of arms you carry, let it be consistent. If the poop hits the airmover, you don't want to be figuring out what you're carrying. Having one, simple control (the bang switch) makes sense to me.

That is one of the things we learned in Human Factors Engineering. Every machine tool in the shop, and every airplane to which a ppilot might be assigned, should operate exactly the same way. That's fundamental.

Did you know there was a time when automatic transmission selectors varied among manufacturerss, and that the frequency of accidents led to the s standardization of the PRNDL pattern?

I would not hesitate to carry different Glock models, or different S&W DA revolvers, on different days.
Depending on ... the scenarios I think I will encounter,...
How well do your predictions hold up?
 
80F here and shorts and t-shirt so today it's my S&W I frame Model 30 in my pocket.

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Jar, presume that's a .32; was it logged as evidence at some time in its long career? Nice little gun.

I sold a buddy a spare LPC; he's an old revo guy, though he does have some autos. He likes to hold revos like Dirty Harry, thumbs behind the gun. I told him I'd get out of that habit with a small auto. He replied "What, do you think I'm stupid?" I didn't argue; he's a hard headed German.
As others have noted, what we do when we don't have time to think about it can be different than what we do with all the time in the world.
Moon
 
Jar, presume that's a .32; was it logged as evidence at some time in its long career? Nice little gun.

I sold a buddy a spare LPC; he's an old revo guy, though he does have some autos. He likes to hold revos like Dirty Harry, thumbs behind the gun. I told him I'd get out of that habit with a small auto. He replied "What, do you think I'm stupid?" I didn't argue; he's a hard headed German.
As others have noted, what we do when we don't have time to think about it can be different than what we do with all the time in the world.
Moon
That's my best guess about the tattoo but honestly, it is undecipherable. Whoever did it sucked at it. And yes; 32S&W Long. Bluing shows a strange pattern of little dots.
 
I can always tell on these threads who has tinnitus and who does not. There is a 0% chance I would carry a .357 actually loaded with .357. Anyone who says or thinks 'id rather deal with a ringing ear then be dead...blah blah blah...' has never dealt with serious tinnitus.

Between those two choices it would be close. Whichever one a shot the best. And considering I have never owned either I'd have trouble picking one.
 
Before I even start. This is not a caliber war. Both these calibers have proven themselves as excellent self-defense rounds and they come in all different types of handguns. If you could choose between a six round 357 Magnum or a 7 round 9 mm which would you choose and why?
The reason I'm asking is I have a 1983 Ruger Speed Six and a 2016 S&W Shield 9 mm that I rotate in my CCW lineup. Both guns are superb in all aspects. I will say carrying the Ruger all day, it is a definitely noticeable in the weight department. I carry a speed strip for a reload when packing the 357. And an extra 7 round mag for the Shield.
I don't feel under gunned with either. What are your opinions on the one you'd choose to carry, or would you rotate em .
If my answer has to be framed as a choice between these two specific weapons, well, the entire category of “compact nines” have always been annoying for me to shoot very many rounds per session, and, then, became painful* for me to shoot, a number of years ago. If that were not a limitation, the Shield, itself, is a poor fit in my hands, not ending up in a consistent position each time I grip the weapon. A Speed Six, on the other hand, is a superb fit, in my hands, and, I can choose a load that will not aggravate my arthritic right thumb, hand, and wrist, to train right-handed, and use a warmer load to train left-handed. (My left hand remains healthier, thankfully, for now.)

I actually WANTED to like the Shield, so, this is not a matter of being prejudiced.

Choose what works, for you, based upon your personal parameters, not my personal parameters.

Regarding “rotation,” I only carry handguns that point consistently in my hands, without having to consciously think about anything during the draw and presentation. This means that they have to fit me, which is not the same thing as “feeling good” in my hands. “Feeling good” can be a lie. Live fire training is required, in order to be sure.

Again, “feeling good” can be a lie.

The following paragraphs can be skipped, being my personal background and reasons for my conclusions:

If a Speed Six is a bit large, I carry an S&W K-snub, a Ruger SP101, or, on rare occasions, a J-snub. I tend to carry a 3” GP100 more often than I carry a Speed Six. These all point the same, and point consistently in my hands. In actual practice, our three Speed Sixes are “house guns,” more than carry guns. (There are multiple responsible, trained adults in the house.)

Not that I am revolving-pistol-only. starting with the Gen3, Glocks became an OK fit, which improved with the Gen3 Short Frame, in the case of large frames, and Gen4 in both frame sizes. Then, there is my old, original favorite, the full-sized 1911. They all point the same, in my hands. Grip angle? Shmip angle; when I grip then correctly, they all fit, and point the same. Of course, countless live and “sim” rounds, fired through Glocks, during LE training and some private training on my own dime, hard-wired Glock shooting into my brain and nervous system.

Regarding the number of available rounds available, in the weapon, the seventh round in a Shield is not going to sway me, unless all else is equal. In my personal case, the Shield is already DQ’ed, before we get to round count. Your experience may vary.

Notably, I do not trend revolver due to being “old-fashioned.” When I started handgunning, in late 1982 or early 1983, at age 21, with a 1911, I thought revolvers were quaint anachronisms. At age 22, however, when I was hired by a PD, I had to learn how to use revolving pistols, and if I wanted to survive, it behooved me to LEARN long-stroke DA shooting at a high level, because that is what I was mandated to carry, 24/7/365, during my rookie period. Revolving pistols grew on me. 40+ years later, the problem with autos is that I do not always trust my right hand to do exactly what my brain is telling it to do. Arthritis is not my only problem; “numb thumb” can have the same effect on auto-pistol reliability as a “limp wrist.” (In my case, my right thumb, ring finger, and little finger can all conspire to not fully cooperate. My right thumb can be forced to cooperate, well enough, if locked-down, revolver-shooting-style.)

Notably, a full-sized Glock G17 has never actually malfunctioned, while in my right hand. Large service pistols can be quite forgiving. It does take some effort, however, to dress around a G17.

*If the heel of a pistol’s grip does not reach far enough to make firm contact with the “heel bone” part of my right hand, the weapon will be painful to shoot with ammo of the 9mm/.38 Special power level. My hands are not wide, but they are long, so, the Shield and the Glock 19 are examples of weapons too small to meet this requirement. The factory SP101 grip actually is JUST long enough to reach the heel of my hand.
 
You answered for someone else. Does he have the same reason?

....I'm gonna take a WAG and say "probably".
Well, I suppose that I could, too. I make it a practice to not do so.

...and that is your choice. Unlike many here, I am not going to make snide condescending comments that your choice is wrong and mine is better. I respect that choice and realize you and your situations are different than me.
BUT: when I have to draw a handgun from concealment rapidly in the gravest extreme, I do not want tor rely on remembering what i strapped on that day, or to take the time to remember how to operate the firearm. There is too much at stake

....my muscle memory is the same with the firearm, regardless of which I have on me. Operation is the same......point the gun and put the sights on COM and pull the trigger. I doubt if I will forget which firearm I strapped on that day and where it is at on my body. The split second it takes me to remember and focus is the same. Just part of being observant and aware of what is going on around you at all times. But, if it's different for you, take the precautions you feel you need to take. No argument or condescension from me.
How well do your predictions hold up?

....so far, I'd guess about as well as yours. Only time I needed to draw a weapon, I felt I had the correct weapon on me, and didn't forget where it was on my body and how to draw it. There is a certain amount of risk in everything we do in life and folks tend to feel differently about how to minimize those risks. Smoking, riding a motorcycle, going to Walmart, all present an amount of risk. Yet I know of folks that feel the need to have a hi-cap weapon and several reloads to go to our local Walmart, yet they have to smoke a cigarette on the way, while they refuse to wear their seatbelt. Again....their choice.
 
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