I got in a little late on this thread , but since the thread was locked, I'll add my dollars worth here. . .
H&Ks don't get talked about a lot on this board because certain posters, who shall go unamed (as if they anyone doesn't know who they are), get their panties in a bunch over the USP for various reasons.
Essentially, if you buy a USP, by default you become an operator/spec ops wannabe" who can't keep his mouth shut about how great the firearm is (all the while foisting his respective opinion about which firearm is the best off on all who read the garbage). Oh, and purchasing a USP automatically gets you a job at the local mall as a security guard. Of course all this is served up with a healthy dose of so that if anyone calls them out, they can refer to the s and claim to have been simply yanking the chain of H&K owners.
What's funny is that if you go back and browse the thread you'll find that the majority of complaints about H&Ks revolve around their prices, not quality or lack thereof of the product. Of the complaints given in the numerous responses to the thread, price was the issue most whined about. i.e. :
If we all simply bought firearms based on cost to benefit ratio, SIG, GLOCK, Walther, H&K, and numerous other gunmakers would cease to exist. Can't a Ruger or a CZ do everything a 1911, GLOCK, SIG, etc. can do for much less money? So, my question to the price whiners is why are you all not shooting exclusively CZs, Rugers, Hi Points, Makarovs, etc.?? The price difference between a Ruger and a GLOCK is pretty much identical to the price difference between a GLOCK and an H&K.
Some of the more outspoken (one of which, by the way, is exceedingly more "into" the whole tactical scene than I am as I understand roughly 10% of the language he used in his "story"-has he really thought THAT much about being an "operator"????) detractors will have us believe that the mere existence of a web site revolving around H&K firearms is proof of the "wannabe" mentality. Never mind the fact that the favorite weapon of many of these detractors has more fan websites than probably any type of firearm on the web.
The reality is that 90% of this "wannabe" mentality is fabricated by internet posters who have an axe to grind (the other ten percent likely exists in the ranks of any other firearm on the shelf). Proof being that they rarely focus on perceived faults of the firearm, choosing to focus instead on the price and the supposed lack of intelect of those who would pay more for a firearm that has the same end result as a lower priced firearm (never mind the fact that their firearms cost more than many that would give them identical end results).
I have to question anyone's judgement that would label an entire group of firearm owners based on their choice brand/model of firearm simply because of the rabid few (which group exists in any fan forum-H&K's don't have a corner on the market there as they would have you believe). The USP series offers options that are not found in any other modern semi-auto plastic (see I can say it) framed pistol. If you want to whine about H&Ks, whine about the guns, not their owners.
(stay with me moderators, I'm including my dose of autoloader talk). . .
I, for one, selected the USP as my first handgun without knowing much about it at all. It fit my hand better than anything out there, I could carry it cocked and locked, it had a decocker, it has (for me) the fastest mag release of any autoloader without causing me to reposition, I shoot them better than any of my other handguns (all brands and models), mine have been as reliable as anything I've fired. A reason to spend a little more money? For me it is. I had no knowledge of which "spec ops" unit if any uses them.
Ironically, 1911 loyalists (Not picking on 1911s as I own them, just making a point) will drop references to the 1911s use in battle by the armed forces (and its superiority over the M9-another story) left and right, then snicker at an SIG/H&K fan's interest in who is using the SIG/H&K.
Bottom line is why cry and whine about who buys what if you are happy with what you use? Beats me. I like H&Ks, I buy them, I shoot them, I carry them. . . you like something else, big freaking deal. Not everyone can be happy with a 1911/SIG/GOCK/CZ/Ruger etc. It is all about choice. I'm certainly grateful we don't all have to conform to some approved "standard". I wouldn't be here if we did.
Dohhhhhhh!!! I guess I've outed myself as an H&K lover. So, come at me with all the "see, you prove my point" "deep down inside you know you want to be a SEAL". I'll get angry, I promise.
Oh, and I almost forgot. . . there are certain people who won't be able to help themselves responding to this thread. . . these are for you:
YMMV IMHO and all that. . .
Shake
H&Ks don't get talked about a lot on this board because certain posters, who shall go unamed (as if they anyone doesn't know who they are), get their panties in a bunch over the USP for various reasons.
Essentially, if you buy a USP, by default you become an operator/spec ops wannabe" who can't keep his mouth shut about how great the firearm is (all the while foisting his respective opinion about which firearm is the best off on all who read the garbage). Oh, and purchasing a USP automatically gets you a job at the local mall as a security guard. Of course all this is served up with a healthy dose of so that if anyone calls them out, they can refer to the s and claim to have been simply yanking the chain of H&K owners.
What's funny is that if you go back and browse the thread you'll find that the majority of complaints about H&Ks revolve around their prices, not quality or lack thereof of the product. Of the complaints given in the numerous responses to the thread, price was the issue most whined about. i.e. :
Yes, it is just 1911 owners mocking a $700 plastic pistol that doesn't add anything but hype to the market.
The USP is for the tactical Walter Mittys who are keen to overpay for something neither unique or special.
Best I can figure is that snob appeal plays a part in the decision to spend $700 or so on a plastic frame gun.
If we all simply bought firearms based on cost to benefit ratio, SIG, GLOCK, Walther, H&K, and numerous other gunmakers would cease to exist. Can't a Ruger or a CZ do everything a 1911, GLOCK, SIG, etc. can do for much less money? So, my question to the price whiners is why are you all not shooting exclusively CZs, Rugers, Hi Points, Makarovs, etc.?? The price difference between a Ruger and a GLOCK is pretty much identical to the price difference between a GLOCK and an H&K.
Some of the more outspoken (one of which, by the way, is exceedingly more "into" the whole tactical scene than I am as I understand roughly 10% of the language he used in his "story"-has he really thought THAT much about being an "operator"????) detractors will have us believe that the mere existence of a web site revolving around H&K firearms is proof of the "wannabe" mentality. Never mind the fact that the favorite weapon of many of these detractors has more fan websites than probably any type of firearm on the web.
The reality is that 90% of this "wannabe" mentality is fabricated by internet posters who have an axe to grind (the other ten percent likely exists in the ranks of any other firearm on the shelf). Proof being that they rarely focus on perceived faults of the firearm, choosing to focus instead on the price and the supposed lack of intelect of those who would pay more for a firearm that has the same end result as a lower priced firearm (never mind the fact that their firearms cost more than many that would give them identical end results).
I have to question anyone's judgement that would label an entire group of firearm owners based on their choice brand/model of firearm simply because of the rabid few (which group exists in any fan forum-H&K's don't have a corner on the market there as they would have you believe). The USP series offers options that are not found in any other modern semi-auto plastic (see I can say it) framed pistol. If you want to whine about H&Ks, whine about the guns, not their owners.
(stay with me moderators, I'm including my dose of autoloader talk). . .
I, for one, selected the USP as my first handgun without knowing much about it at all. It fit my hand better than anything out there, I could carry it cocked and locked, it had a decocker, it has (for me) the fastest mag release of any autoloader without causing me to reposition, I shoot them better than any of my other handguns (all brands and models), mine have been as reliable as anything I've fired. A reason to spend a little more money? For me it is. I had no knowledge of which "spec ops" unit if any uses them.
Ironically, 1911 loyalists (Not picking on 1911s as I own them, just making a point) will drop references to the 1911s use in battle by the armed forces (and its superiority over the M9-another story) left and right, then snicker at an SIG/H&K fan's interest in who is using the SIG/H&K.
Bottom line is why cry and whine about who buys what if you are happy with what you use? Beats me. I like H&Ks, I buy them, I shoot them, I carry them. . . you like something else, big freaking deal. Not everyone can be happy with a 1911/SIG/GOCK/CZ/Ruger etc. It is all about choice. I'm certainly grateful we don't all have to conform to some approved "standard". I wouldn't be here if we did.
Dohhhhhhh!!! I guess I've outed myself as an H&K lover. So, come at me with all the "see, you prove my point" "deep down inside you know you want to be a SEAL". I'll get angry, I promise.
Oh, and I almost forgot. . . there are certain people who won't be able to help themselves responding to this thread. . . these are for you:
YMMV IMHO and all that. . .
Shake