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One .22LR in a dire situation: bolt or semi-auto?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by AStone, Sep 23, 2006.

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  1. Brian Williams

    Brian Williams Moderator Emeritus

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    I have a good bolt, not a CZ but very accurate, and a 10/22 and I would rather take my Marlin 39M than either one. My Mariln is just as accurate as a bolt and shoots almost as fast as a 10/22. With a Tube loader, 8 tubes pre-loaded of 15 lr, 16 if I Acurize them, I can load and shoot quite alot quickly.
     
  2. AStone

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    The score so far...

    Well, as I count it
    (there's a few tough calls),
    here's the current score:

    Bolt: 15
    Auto: 8
    Lever: 1
    Pump: 1

    (Clearly, I shoulda made this a poll. :rolleyes: )

    And with time out on the field,
    we'll go to a commercial break...
     
  3. JohnKSa

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    Choking rifle barrels is a way to improve the accuracy. It's typically used on small bore rifles shooting exclusively lead projectiles--more commonly in Europe than in the U.S. I believe that Krieger chokes some of their barrels.

    A good many European air rifles have choked barrels, and I've run across one other source (besides the one I linked to earlier) who suggested that at least some models of the 452 .22LR rifles had choked barrels.

    You should be able to feel the choke with a tight-fitting patch. Or just don't worry about it. The link I posted earlier was from a fellow who shortened his 452 and only noted a minor decrease in accuracy.
     
  4. AStone

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    JohnKSa, thanks for reiterating and expanding.

    This choke on a .22LR is an interesting concept.

    I'm feeling less concerned about cutting off this 452 barrel, but still curious about it.

    Still hoping others may have more to say about it.

    Nem
     
  5. JohnKSa

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    http://www.classicarms.us/

    Has a couple of interesting and handy looking .22 Rifles if you scroll down (be patient and keep scrolling, it's not a well-laid out site). One version semi, the other bolt. You need to buy one of each and do a review--I've been curious about them for a long time! ;)
     
  6. AStone

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    Phew!

    Found them both, but OMG:
    have they never heard of pages?
    :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:

    Still, yeah, nice prices.

    I wonder if that's how CZ started...

    PS: wonder what the weight and barrel length is
    on that TOZ 78 BOLT ACTION .22 TARGET RIFLE...
     
  7. BIGJACK

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    The "custom" stock was purchased from Cabbalis or one of those catalogue outfits.
     
  8. T.R.

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    We live in an area where our neighbors are friends as well. I can't imagine living in a place where one would shoot a neighbor. But I've seen "less-than-ideal" (politically correct description) areas of Denver and other cities where iron barred windows give the appearance that all is not well.

    I suggest moving away from the rat race, you'll never win this race anyway. Select a small city where people are friendly and the churches far out-number saloons.
    TR
     
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    Your CZ should have a grooved receiver top for ring mounting, and the WGSR-54 mounts to those grooves...
     
  10. AStone

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    Ahhhh....gotcha. Thanks.
     
  11. Stiletto Null

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    Want a short, carbine-like .22?

    CZ 452 FS. (Stock photo below.)
    main045.png

    It makes me look like I know what I'm doing. I've actually managed sub-MOA with it (managed a couple of <0.5" groups at 50yd), and I'm pretty awful.
     
  12. Cosmoline

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    They make SEEING what you're aiming at easier, yes. But hitting? Not really. The current generation of rifle shooters has largely forgotten that you don't have to see the spot you're aiming at with perfect clarity. You learn to shoot using reference points, both those on the sight system and those of the game. This also lets you get an idea of how far it is. I nailed a red squirrel last weekend with my CZ from about thirty yards. At that range, the little guy was no more than a furry spot. I saw the tail and the head and the general area of the chest, and through experience I knew how to line up all those points together. The SQUIRREL, in other words, becomes PART OF THE SIGHT SYSTEM. The front sight is my focal point, with all the other points blurry but kept in allignment. I shot, and nailed him precisely through the lower chest--a perfect heart lung shot on a very small animal. I don't think I could have done that with a scope, I would have been too worried about keeping the picture from bouncing around trying to fire when it wobbled close to the key area.

    Just try it, esp. on small game where you can get a ton of practice. You'll be surprised what you can do with those awesome CZ tangent sights.
     
  13. Terrierman

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    Are you sure you want a blued steel and walnut rifle for survival purposes in the Pacific NW? I can practically hear it rusting away and rotting down to nothing.... Bolt action surely, but make it a Ruger All Weather and then you'll have it right.
     
  14. AStone

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    Terrierman, that's my thinking, too.

    As nice looking as that CZ 452 FS is, it won't work for me for those reasons. Plus, all that extra wood makes it heavier than I want.

    My 452 is a "Style" (synthetic stainless) because I live in the NW, and the climate predictions are for increased wet in coming years, less as snow, more as rain. Synthetic stainless seemed just the ticket.

    I'd just rather that it have a 20" barrel instead of the 22" that's on it.

    And yes, Cosmoline's labeling me as an "infidel" :D for thinking of cashing in my 452 for an auto (along with all the other great reasoning in here) has me thinking a lot less about doing that. I'll probably just keep the bolt and look into modifying the barrel with a gun smith.
     
  15. Terrierman

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    I think if you czech it out a little further you will find the "style" looks like stainless but is really nickel plated. The Ruger really is a stainless steel rifle and it comes with your desired 20" barrel and only wieghts 5 1/2 lbs. But I think you will have to hunt a used one or at least earlier production as the current Ruger on-line catalog doesn't list them with open sights any more. Marlin makes a stainless synthetic bolt action .22 also, but it has that most abominable of abominations, a protruding magazine at the balance / carry point. So if you are like me and can't stand that sort of horrid thing on a .22 rifle that you intend to actually carry and use, you're back in the market for a Ruger All Weather with open sights. Should not be all that hard to find either.
     
  16. AStone

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    I stand corrected. You are totally right: nickel plated. Same effect, different metalurgy.

    At least it's not blued.
     
  17. Limeyfellow

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    Would have to be the CZ. Its much more accurate, reliable, better sights and going to do the job you want it for much better. Of course for small game you could also employ a number of snares and other traps and save your ammo some too, but the 10/22 is simply not in the same league. Even if it comes against being used on people, most would flee as soon as you put a couple of shots down range, so its unlikely you be going against multiple people with a .22lr rifle anyway and even then the better accuracy will help to at least hit the target rather than spray and pray tactics.
     
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