One and Only Survival Gun

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If an idiot bothers you and you are bound to a wheelchair be sure to tell the 911 operator that it is not necessary to dispatch an ambulance that you need LEO and the Coroner. I dont know you personally but hate bullies and punks who bother old folks and pedophiles who prey on children. Maybe someone you know will use wit and wile to deliver them some medicine . they need it as they are sick. Keep that 12 loaded with buckshot it is very effective.
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Im torn between the 10-22 or my old single six with both cylinders.
I really only need time and opportunity and in three directions within 2 miles from home I can access heavier firepower and plenty of ammo. surely I can make it to one of these cashes. If i cant then its my day to win the lottery we will all roll craps as everything that lives also dies. I will not be on my knees begging but will fight knowing winning is impossible until i am unable to move.
Barring that I will take what is necessary to survive by and with any means available.
 
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Can I have an AR 15 with multiple uppers? I think it would be a .22, my T/C Classic to be exact. It shoots Aguila Super Sniper 60 grain bullets as well as it shoots Wolf Match Target. As I look in my gun room the one gun solution will never be a thing I have to contemplate.
 
"societal collapse situation"
Choice of personal protection weapon would depend on:
Where?
Urban? Suburban? Rural?
How long?
Three days (tornado aftermath)? Weeks (Katrina)? Not This August/Red Dawn invasion?
What purpose?
Self defense against looters? Foraging game for food? Guerilla action against invaders?

For general survival purpose (longer than 3 days, suburban/rural, mostly small game. maybe self-defense), I'll elect my checked out and vetted Rossi Puma 1892 carbine in .357mag/.38spl and a green bag w shoulder strap for spare ammo -- 100-150 rounds. THE PLAN (post-Katrina example) was for the family to rondevous on the mountain for an extended campout. If .22, 12ga, 7.62, 5.56 9mm were needed someone would have something.

(The military surplus bags marked "7.62 MM, NATO LINKED BALL M80...." can also hold a box of 12ga shells -- 25 rounds -- and are handy for all kinds of toting in different situations.)
 
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Flint Lock Muzzle loader. Eventually you guys with the ARs and the High Cap pistols will run out of ammo. When I have to after my stock of BP runs out I can make my own, and with a supply of lead I can cast my own projectiles. And a .58 cal Mine' ball or a .54 cal round ball will do a lot of damage.
 
I'd just keep it simple. My vest already has armor and 6 loaded mags, so I'd just take that and my AR. I suppose I'd take a pistol too, probably the XD9 subcompact since it holds more rounds then my 1911.

As much as I'd like to bring more, I'm not carrying 2 rifles and a shotgun.
 
Too hard to pick just one. Urban versus rural. A handgun required in both instances, but a long gun would be required in both instances, too.

I already have a .22WMR bolt action carbine well suited for the long gun role, which would make me want a .22WMR DA/SA revolver to match.

But in reality, I ought to step up the bolt gun to a 5.56 and strap a 9mm handgun to my belt.
 
Food for thought if you have to be on the move.

Round/Rounds Per Pound - Lbs/100
.22 LR/133 - .75
.22 WMR/106 - .94
5.7x28/72 - 1.4
.380 ACP/47 - 2.13
9mm/38 - 2.63
.38 Spl/35 - 2.9
.357 Mag/28 - 3.6
.40 S&W/28 - 3.6
.44 Mag/20 - 5.1
.45 ACP/21 - 4.7
.223(5.56)/37 - 2.7
30-30/20 - 4.9
.243/22 - 4.5
7.62x39/28 - 3.6
.308/19 - 5.4
30-06/17 - 5.9
12 Ga.(2-3/4") 00-Buck/10 - 10
12 Ga.(2-3/4") Slug/10 - 10
12 Ga.(2-3/4") #6/11 - 9.8
 
I don't get it... What kind of social collapse? I'm certainly not shooting neighbors. I live in the County, so what - the town folks are coming for me? I know many of them too...

The city folks from SF are coming up the roads? They do that every weekend anyway... They don't stop at my place unless my wife has her Jam Table out front. So somebody is going to try to rob the Jam Table? OK, but if they're that hungry, maybe I ought to look into that... Hungry with wife and kids hungry too - have some veggies and move along...

Mean SOB with a biker gang looking for a fight. Prolly will not see it coming until they are there. Out numbered and very likely they are armed... Start shooting - yeah, that'll end well ... The biker gangs that ride by my place are in the 25~100 range usually. I an't got enough ammo or gun to take on that many and it'll happen too fast to do much ...

I understand SHTF day-dreaming, but how exactly is this going to work out? North Korean nuke on SF and/or Oakland. The Bay Area will be a hot zone. People will be dying as I watch. They'll be housing the survivors where ever they can find support. It'll be ugly and folks will be hungry and hurt. Yeah, maybe I carry to protect myself, but likely not. Sheriffs Deputies will be out and about. Fire will too. EMS will be running the arses off.

I'll keep the 12 ga behind the kitchen door just like grand-pa used to do. Prolly have one out in the shop too. Maybe have a lever out in the tractor shed where both me an the wife know where these are, but I'll be busy farming to get food produced so I'm not likely carrying ...

North Korean nuke misses and hits us - I don't need a gun. I need luck like being out on the bike in another location. If I'm home, I'm screwed ...

Pandemic - I'm likely as sick as every one else...

The Creator is piss'd - oops, that won't need a gun either ...

What am I trying to accomplish here ????????
 
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BrocLuno said:
I don't get it... What kind of social collapse? I'm certainly not shooting neighbors. I live in the County, so what - the town folks are coming for me? I know many of them too...

The city folks from SF are coming up the roads? They do that every weekend anyway... They don't stop at my place unless my wife has her Jam Table out front. So somebody is going to try to rob the Jam Table? OK, but if they're that hungry, maybe I ought to look into that... Hungry with wife and kids hungry too - have some veggies and move along...

Mean SOB with a biker gang looking for a fight. Prolly will not see it coming until they are there. Out numbered and very likely they are armed... Start shooting - yeah, that'll end well ... The biker gangs that ride by my place are in the 25~100 range usually. I an't got enough ammo or gun to take on that many and it'll happen too fast to do much ...

I understand SHTF day dreaming, but how exactly is this going to work out? North Korean nuke on SF and/or Oakland. The Bay Area will be a hot zone. People will be dying as I watch. They'll be housing the survivors where ever they can find support. It'll be ugly and folks will be hungry and hurt. Yeah, maybe I carry to protect myself, but likely not. Sheriffs Deputies will be out and about. Fire will too. EMS will be running the arses off.

North Korean nuke misses and hits us - I don't need a gun. I need luck like being out on the bike in another location. If I'm home, I'm screwed ...

Pandemic - I'm likely as sick as every one else...

The Creator is piss'd - oops, that won't need a gun either ...

What am I trying to accomplish here ????????
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Perhaps nothing so grandiose. Could be economic collapse (not out of the realm of possibilities/stock market crash/banks close), perhaps something as simple as the national power grids going down due to some type of solar or cosmic radiation (again not out of the realm of possibilities), or perhaps the Yellowstone super volcano decides to erupt covering half the US in ash. I'm not an end of the world fanatic, and I'm not saying that it will happen, but merely asking what type of weapon you would prefer to have it something did happen.
 
I'm not walking out of anywhere anymore. 20 years ago I would have took my chances walking out of Arizona but that was then.

Societal collapse covers a lot of different situations. Bugging out is bad, last resort if you do a .22 and a brick of ammo is a pretty good idea compared to a shotgun and a box of ammo. 150 rounds of 5.56 is a pretty good compromise between the two. If you have never seriously walked, with a pack on your back day after day living out of that pack you are in for a serious surprise and not a good one.

If you think you are going to scrounge ammo you are living a fantasy. You are never going to have more than what you started with. Things are only going to go down hill from there.
 
Yeah, and holing up w/o power won't be fun either. Sure, you can run the gen set to keep the lights working for a few hours every night. But you can't run the refer and the freezer for weeks/months on end w/o a diesel gen set and a big tank. And even a big tank will run dry someday. Will it last long enough to get the bigger systems back on line ...

If Jellystone blows, it's going to be chaos'ish - like Iceland for the Eurozone. If solar flares take out the power grid, it'll be bad. I don't think the recovery times for that have been modeled for the general publics consumption... But w/o water being pumped to the cities, it will be chaos and fire and something approaching walking zombies - but they'll be real people. I think food and shelter and water will be better than guns...

But I get the point that the bad guys will be looking to "scrounge" stuff. Question is, how many at once - they might outnumber me and mine and they are motivated and they can surround us. Which way to I shoot first ...
 
If just one, I suppose my Henry lever in .357 with a few hundred rounds. Works in most scenarios minus an over-run situation. Pure survival, it'd be my go-to.
 
This is starting to wander a bit from what we can get into at THR. "Survival" is always a slippery topic. Keep it gun-related, fellas.
 
Something in .22LR. Could be a rifle, or could be a handgun. Depends on what scenario we're discussing, and how much travel, if any, I'd have to do.

My Tapco-modified 10/22 and my Mk-II Standard would make a good starting pair, to pare from..

But.. my Mossberg 702 "Plinkster" is remarkably swift-handling and accurate, and its hollow buttstock can hold probably another 100 rounds and/or a few spare magazines..
 
Specifically for your area or region, if you had to pick a single weapon to help you survive in a societal collapse situation, what would that weapon be, and why would you choose it?
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The same thing I've been relying on for nearly four decades, my Mini-14. The reasons for the choice are:
  • I am familiar with it.
  • I can shoot it accurately.
  • It is suitable for harvesting deer and small game.
  • It is adequate for self-defense.
  • I have a load using a 60 grain hollow point optimized for its 1:12 18 inch barrel via fifteen years of trial and error
  • I have lots of that 60 grain ammunition already loaded.
 
In a suburban/urban environment of a major southern city. I don't see bugging out or hunting/fishing in my future. My one gun would be Glock 19. Concealable, high capacity, cheap mags, cheap parts, ubiquitous caliber.
 
Have often thought of shortening my 24V to 18", adding a lightweight synthetic stock and choke tubes. 100 rds of 222 60grain, 500 lr, a chamber adapter, and 15 slugs, 50 #6, all by the gun fitting a small pack. Nightmare scenario, add a Lyman tong tool, power, bullets and primers.
Guess I'll go with my 92FS, my AR, and 870.
 
For my location in the suburbs, I'll take my CZ 75.

Defense against other people would be my top concern in a societal collapse situation, which the 9mm slide + lots of mags would work great for. To be realistic, there isn't much "game" much bigger than rabbits/possums/stray animals without going through serious effort to drive out into the country and intentionally "go hunting". For all of those smaller animals, the .22 Kadet conversion kit will slide right on, and it's even more accurate than the impressive 9mm slide. .22 also has obvious cost, size, and weight benefits when a bigger round isn't needed, as well as being quieter.

I see where people are coming from with a shotgun, but the low-capacity (anything less than 10, really) tube magazine (slower reloads) makes it a tough choice for my "one and only" survival gun.
 
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A CZ-75, if I have access to one. Why? Well...because I can. You can fit the gun, holster, ammo, mags and cleaning kit in a compression sack, and sling it on the back of a wheelchair or tie it to the arm rest.

20-gauge shotguns are ubiquitous in Central NYS. I would be torn between my 1100 20LT and 1917 Eddystone .30-06. But I would think after the wheels come flying off, it will be orders of magnitude easier to find (or load) .30-06, than to procure 2-3/4" 20 gauge shells.
 
12 ga pump as it is extremely versatile and reliable, providing defense and the ability to hunt game large and small, legged and winged.

or

An AR15, because, while less versatile, there are an awful lot of 5.56 rounds out there and multiple hits with .224 bullets will generally achieve what a 12 ga will. Tough bird hunting with it though...
 
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An AR15, because, while less versatile, there are an awful lot of 5.56 rounds out there and multiple hits with .224 bullets will generally achieve what a 12 ga will. Tough bird hunting with it though...
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Yep.

In this thread exercise, I'd resort to shooting birds while they were sitting still while trying not to blow them to smithereens.
 
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