One Dillon 650, or several Lee Loadmasters?

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Hey Kevin,

If you are suggesting that progressive reloading becomes more complex with each new generation of machine, I certainly am in full agreement with you. I would submit that "correcting mistakes" becomes more difficult with each step we take along the ever increasingly complex path of progressive reloading.

Different folks will draw their own personal lines of what they will accept in complexity at different places along the path progressive complexity. In the 1950s, I was very comfortable using a MEC Jr to reload shotshells. Then I bought a Pacific DL-300 or DL-350 that was a manual indexing progressive. It had been allowed to rust in place, so I had to completely disassemble it and replace some bearings, but when I was finished fixing it, I had a pretty good idea of how it worked. In spite of that fact, when I first started to try loading with it, it was very complex for me compared to my experience with the MEC Jr. Shot and powder both dropped when they were not supposed to drop, and it took a while to learn how to use the machine properly.

A few years later when I got a Pacific 366 with auto-indexing, it was another step along the evolutionary path of progressives, and it certainly was more complex. To this day, I cannot operate my 366 presses if there are any distractions. It takes my total concentration.

Comparing Dillon's 550 and 650 in complexity is somewhat similar to my Pacific DL-300 something and its successor 366. No doubt about it, they do more things, become more complex, and demand more attention by the operator.

On the metallic progressive press side of the house, I draw my line to include the Dillon 650 and Hornady L&L progressives. I like the auto indexing of both. I cannot, however, go for the auto case feeders and auto bullet feeders. I do not like the noise, and I find they are more distraction than I am willing to accept.

Other folks take the auto feeders in stride. They draw their lines further along the complexity path than I am either willing or able to do. So I know what you mean about the 550 being less complex than the 650, and I would not suggest you are in any way wrong in your assessment of different press complexity.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile
 
Perhaps you and I could have a competition to see who can load the fewest rounds in an hour and still be satisfied with our production.
The answer last night was 43. They were development loads with each charge weighed, but still loaded on the progressive with the powder dispenser removed and a funnel in its place. I think that I might have been at it for more than an hour though...
 
If you are suggesting that progressive reloading becomes more complex with each new generation of machine, I certainly am in full agreement with you. I would submit that "correcting mistakes" becomes more difficult with each step we take along the ever increasingly complex path of progressive reloading.

I agree that nothing is a simple as a single stage press.

A lot of the devices and fail safe measures are designed to prevent mistakes (either in operation or end product) they are not designed to make it easy to make/correct a mistake by the user.

So you take the "simple" 550 and you can run the same case in the same station over and over. This may be usefull if some operation did not get done the first time for some reason but also makes the likelyhood of a double charge go way up.

You take the rather complex 1050 that adds dowels to positively index the shell plate, primer pocket swage to ensure no problems with a primer entering the pocket, positive "set" depth of primer seating and a ratcheting failsafe device that prevents anything other than a full and complete stroke of the handle and to correct a mistake is likely to take longer to clear but the likely hood that a mistake occurs in the first place is far less likely as well.

in relation to the OP's original question, get a simple cheap progressive and you will have plenty of "quirks" to tend to, I hope they are quick. Get one of the better machines and don't have as many problems to contend with in the first place.
 
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