one in the chamber and full mag?
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Tacbandit
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"But, losing one or having an unaccounted for round can be a very big deal, especially for safety sake."
I gotta hear your reasoning behind this...
OK...I've been quoted a couple of times now, so here goes...The most expensive ammo I've ever encountered was $47 dollars for a single round of .40 for one of my glocks...How did that happen...? Well, while clearing my weapon in my SUV, a single round fell perfectly to the only place it could not be recovered...It got between the parking brake handle(down inside the little rubber cover) rolled perfectly underneath the console. Yes, Murphy's Law at it's best. It lodged perfectly to where it couldn't be recovered without major surgery in a recovery effort. This was late at night, so early the next morning I was at the GM dealership, trying to explain the scenario. Even though I had specifically told them this was a single loose round, after removing the seats and console cover they came out to tell me there was no "ammo clip in there". Duh...they escorted me to the shop floor, and I pointed to the spot I believed the round was. The guy thought he was wasting his time, but at my request he pulled off the console base/mounting plate. There underneath all snug and cozy was my shiny little lost .40 round sitting there laughing hysterically.(along with Mr. Murphy). The guys couldn't believe it actually made it under there. No excess room whatsoever. It totalled a 1/2 hour of labor...thus the $47.00 and some change. However, the point of the story being is that my wife drives this vehicle most of the time, and the baby seat is in this vehicle, too. Not knowing how much heat/movement happened in that area, there was no way I was going to leave this round in the vehicle, waiting for "whatever"...A little extreme...yes...but now you can see why it was important...Lessons learned...
"But, losing one or having an unaccounted for round can be a very big deal, especially for safety sake."
I gotta hear your reasoning behind this...
OK...I've been quoted a couple of times now, so here goes...The most expensive ammo I've ever encountered was $47 dollars for a single round of .40 for one of my glocks...How did that happen...? Well, while clearing my weapon in my SUV, a single round fell perfectly to the only place it could not be recovered...It got between the parking brake handle(down inside the little rubber cover) rolled perfectly underneath the console. Yes, Murphy's Law at it's best. It lodged perfectly to where it couldn't be recovered without major surgery in a recovery effort. This was late at night, so early the next morning I was at the GM dealership, trying to explain the scenario. Even though I had specifically told them this was a single loose round, after removing the seats and console cover they came out to tell me there was no "ammo clip in there". Duh...they escorted me to the shop floor, and I pointed to the spot I believed the round was. The guy thought he was wasting his time, but at my request he pulled off the console base/mounting plate. There underneath all snug and cozy was my shiny little lost .40 round sitting there laughing hysterically.(along with Mr. Murphy). The guys couldn't believe it actually made it under there. No excess room whatsoever. It totalled a 1/2 hour of labor...thus the $47.00 and some change. However, the point of the story being is that my wife drives this vehicle most of the time, and the baby seat is in this vehicle, too. Not knowing how much heat/movement happened in that area, there was no way I was going to leave this round in the vehicle, waiting for "whatever"...A little extreme...yes...but now you can see why it was important...Lessons learned...
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ny32182
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Unless you have an exhaust manifold in your console with the round sitting on it, I'd say there was no danger...
Tacbandit
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ny32182, you're probably right, but I wasn't taking chances when it comes to the wife and baby.
Harvey
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Finally, someone has answered the OP's question without getting smart. Thanks, lions.
Black Dime
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"duplicate" post with three pages of comments. COOL!!!
1911 LW Commander, cocked and locked, 8+1 and a 10 rounder on the other hip. No kids at home so I seldom unload the weapon. I guess when I do its the pocket or on the den table.. hmmm........
PS: I got ragged also by someone who thought I was repetitive in 2007. I have often pondered the question "Why open it?"
1911 LW Commander, cocked and locked, 8+1 and a 10 rounder on the other hip. No kids at home so I seldom unload the weapon. I guess when I do its the pocket or on the den table.. hmmm........
PS: I got ragged also by someone who thought I was repetitive in 2007. I have often pondered the question "Why open it?"
Tacbandit
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"duplicate" post with three pages of comments. COOL!!!........
PS: I got ragged also by someone who thought I was repetitive in 2007. I have often pondered the question "Why open it?"
wow...thanks for joining in. Duplicate or not, the OP is obviously new, and may not know their way around yet. Regardless, in keeping it "HighRoad" it's right to try to help each other out.
"duplicate" post with three pages of comments. COOL!!!........
PS: I got ragged also by someone who thought I was repetitive in 2007. I have often pondered the question "Why open it?"
wow...thanks for joining in. Duplicate or not, the OP is obviously new, and may not know their way around yet. Regardless, in keeping it "HighRoad" it's right to try to help each other out.
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bigfatdave
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You trust the rounds to not go boom when it IS IN A FIRING GUN, but not rattling around in your car?
Take a good look at a revolver, in fact, take a look at a rimfire revolver. The round going boom can be within a tiny fraction of an inch of TWO live rounds, and those round's primers are in the rim.
So how is your centerfire cartridge a danger, exactly?
And what does that have to do with someone who doesn't clear their weapon in a car because they are clumsy and would lose rounds into the cushions, too?
Tacbandit
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"You trust the rounds to not go boom when it IS IN A FIRING GUN, but not rattling around in your car?"
Uh.....yeh...
I would expect that in a "FIRING GUN" the round would or should go off...that would be the reason for loading that gun, and then carrying that gun... to perform as it is designed to, and when I want it to...not in my wifes vehicle, with A N Y possibility that something could happen to cause that round to go off where the safety of my wife and child, or others are concerned. The point being is that while I knew where the loose round went, I couldn't see what it was resting against, what kind of pressures if any it might encounter, or if there were any moving parts under that console base plate. I don't know... I guess I put a little higher value on the health and safety on my loved ones and others...Was it a hassle...? yes Was it costly...? not tremendously, but it would have been worth a thousand times that if necessary. Any lessons learned...? you bet!
"And what does that have to do with someone who doesn't clear their weapon in a car because they are clumsy and would lose rounds into the cushions, too?"
Hmmm...Not sure... but if they're not clearing their weapon in a car, I don't suppose they'll have that problem anyway...
"You trust the rounds to not go boom when it IS IN A FIRING GUN, but not rattling around in your car?"
Uh.....yeh...
I would expect that in a "FIRING GUN" the round would or should go off...that would be the reason for loading that gun, and then carrying that gun... to perform as it is designed to, and when I want it to...not in my wifes vehicle, with A N Y possibility that something could happen to cause that round to go off where the safety of my wife and child, or others are concerned. The point being is that while I knew where the loose round went, I couldn't see what it was resting against, what kind of pressures if any it might encounter, or if there were any moving parts under that console base plate. I don't know... I guess I put a little higher value on the health and safety on my loved ones and others...Was it a hassle...? yes Was it costly...? not tremendously, but it would have been worth a thousand times that if necessary. Any lessons learned...? you bet!
"And what does that have to do with someone who doesn't clear their weapon in a car because they are clumsy and would lose rounds into the cushions, too?"
Hmmm...Not sure... but if they're not clearing their weapon in a car, I don't suppose they'll have that problem anyway...
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REAPER4206969
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You are aware that a cartridge detonating outside of a firearms chamber is of absolutely no threat? The bullet will stay where it's at and the case will simply rupture and fly back a short distance. Won't even break skin.
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I carry loaded cocked and locked with a topped off mag, If I have to clear the gun for any reason I put the extra In my coat pocket or stick it in the belt loop of the holster so i dont loose, but sometimes it gets lost.... hey hollow points are sold by the 20 or 25 and two mags +1 comes out to 17 so ive got some extras and the lost oine will turn up in my glove box someday
Tacbandit
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"You are aware that a cartridge detonating outside of a firearms chamber is of absolutely no threat? The bullet will stay where it's at and the case will simply rupture and fly back a short distance. Won't even break skin."
Willing to stake your life, or the life of a loved one on that.....??? I'm not. "Things" can happen. I appreciate the point you're making, and I understand the science of it...Life has enough "chances", and other things we can't control. There are "absolutes", and there are "variables"... Where there are variables, we are no longer in control. The common sense things that I can control, I will. When I can eliminate a particular problem, I will...and I did, as with the "missing round". Overboard...maybe to some. I'll go overboard anytime to protect a loved one...
"You are aware that a cartridge detonating outside of a firearms chamber is of absolutely no threat? The bullet will stay where it's at and the case will simply rupture and fly back a short distance. Won't even break skin."
Willing to stake your life, or the life of a loved one on that.....??? I'm not. "Things" can happen. I appreciate the point you're making, and I understand the science of it...Life has enough "chances", and other things we can't control. There are "absolutes", and there are "variables"... Where there are variables, we are no longer in control. The common sense things that I can control, I will. When I can eliminate a particular problem, I will...and I did, as with the "missing round". Overboard...maybe to some. I'll go overboard anytime to protect a loved one...
ny32182
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First, you would need a HOT heat source under the console to cook off a round. There is simply not one there inside the car, period. The exhaust system is the only thing hot enough to do it, and it is of course, on the outside of the car, closer to the tank full of gasoline than a round dropped in the car would ever get.
Second, if it did cook off (not really possible), being outside a chamber, as someone mentioned the case would go further than the bullet since it is lighter. Pressure would be released the second the bullet and case separate, i.e., no chamber and no barrel = no pressure = no velocity.
If you somehow managed to put a several hundred degree heat source under there to generate a cook off, the only slight danger would be from something under there flammable enough to catch fire in the second or two it would take for the few grains of powder to burn to completion. Any heat source hot enough to cook off a round is likely hot enough to combust any easy combustible material under there.
We can all appreciate trying to keep our family safe, but properly evaluating risk helps rather than hurts our effort on that topic; I'm sure we'd all agree. A loose round under the seat does not represent a risk. There are plenty of activities we do every day that are relatively risky, and reasonable things we can do to mitigate those risks... this just doesn't fall in that category.
Second, if it did cook off (not really possible), being outside a chamber, as someone mentioned the case would go further than the bullet since it is lighter. Pressure would be released the second the bullet and case separate, i.e., no chamber and no barrel = no pressure = no velocity.
If you somehow managed to put a several hundred degree heat source under there to generate a cook off, the only slight danger would be from something under there flammable enough to catch fire in the second or two it would take for the few grains of powder to burn to completion. Any heat source hot enough to cook off a round is likely hot enough to combust any easy combustible material under there.
We can all appreciate trying to keep our family safe, but properly evaluating risk helps rather than hurts our effort on that topic; I'm sure we'd all agree. A loose round under the seat does not represent a risk. There are plenty of activities we do every day that are relatively risky, and reasonable things we can do to mitigate those risks... this just doesn't fall in that category.
REAPER4206969
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Yes.
Tacbandit
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hey guys...appreciate the science, and the opinions...I never said I was right-you were wrong. I only made the point that if I'm going to err, I'd rather it be on the side of caution
and safety. That's me... Thanks...Happy and safe shooting,
Tac
and safety. That's me... Thanks...Happy and safe shooting,
Tac
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Yep, that certainly is rational thinking. After all, we gunowners are in such a large majority in this country that we can affort to keep out the newcomers to our group. I am, after all, in need of a lot more free time. That is why I sit here and read and comment when I have so much to do!
3845
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My pistols are always full up. The only place I leave room for another round is under the hammer of an SA revolver, which I use only for fun.
JTQ
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I don't usually top off a magazine. I have no particular reason for not doing so.
I suppose if I did, and had to clear that extra round I would probably just put it in a pants or jacket pocket.
Of course if I forgot it was in there, and had to head to the airport, that could be a pretty expensive round. Possibly more so, than the $47 auto repair bill.
I suppose if I did, and had to clear that extra round I would probably just put it in a pants or jacket pocket.
Of course if I forgot it was in there, and had to head to the airport, that could be a pretty expensive round. Possibly more so, than the $47 auto repair bill.
Amazing how few actually took time to read and understand the OP's question. Some of you look quite silly in your rush to shout "use the search function!".
The question was "do you top off the mag after putting one in the chamber or not?" It had nothing to do with carrying chamber loaded/chamber empty.
I personally top off my mag. Yes, it does leave a loose round when you unload the gun, but it's not a big hassle. I just put the loose round by the mag and load it up again when the time comes.
The question was "do you top off the mag after putting one in the chamber or not?" It had nothing to do with carrying chamber loaded/chamber empty.
I personally top off my mag. Yes, it does leave a loose round when you unload the gun, but it's not a big hassle. I just put the loose round by the mag and load it up again when the time comes.
gearchecker
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I just drop the extra round in my pocket when I need to clear the pistol. No big dael as long as you don't have a spare firing pin in your pocket.
always Condition 1 & a full mag.
always Condition 1 & a full mag.
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When I carry, I tend to use a fully loaded mag, but nothing in the chamber unless I am in an area where I anticipate potential trouble. Why this is, I will not debate.
To directly answer your question, simply keep your mag loaded up, with one in the chamber if you prefer, and when unloading, simply put the extra round aside or whatever, and IMHO, either save this round for practice, use it to start a secondary "backup" mag or when able, put it at the bottom of the "current" mag and start a "cycle."
Personally, if I did choose to carry with a chambered round, I would try to avoid continually chamber loading/unloading the same round. Just my take.....
To directly answer your question, simply keep your mag loaded up, with one in the chamber if you prefer, and when unloading, simply put the extra round aside or whatever, and IMHO, either save this round for practice, use it to start a secondary "backup" mag or when able, put it at the bottom of the "current" mag and start a "cycle."
Personally, if I did choose to carry with a chambered round, I would try to avoid continually chamber loading/unloading the same round. Just my take.....
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