George Hill
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It's not so much the number of rounds you fire, but the number of hits you actually make into the target's vitals.
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Well, I'm not arguing that you can compare target ammo to premium self-defense ammunition and get good results. I thought we were comparing terminal performance of handguns within a given performance class. Not ball to hp ammo.If what you say is true, then ball ammuntion should be as good as hollowpoints and so on. And we know that isn't the case.
Precisely. And given the fact that shooting performance (hit rate) deteriorates dramatically when a person is under stress, it's critical that a person have as many chances as possible to make a hit to the vitals.It's not so much the number of rounds you fire, but the number of hits you actually make into the target's vitals.
Well, I'm not arguing that you can compare target ammo to premium self-defense ammunition and get good results. I thought we were comparing terminal performance of handguns within a given performance class.
Then that's not a difference you should be concerned with--pretty straighforward.difference is too small to measure
If that were true, then this debate would have ended long ago and every handgun effectiveness thread would end with a link to the proof.But if we stack all the probable increased effectiveness on one side, and compare it to the other side, we can see a difference.
No you're the one betting your ass.Mongo said:Could I do it in a BG, Gremlin, whatever situation. You bet your ass!
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Me too. Thanks, Blues.You need a reality check but I pray that you don't actually get it.
JohnKSa said:Then that's not a difference you should be concerned with--pretty straighforward.If that were true, then this debate would have ended long ago and every handgun effectiveness thread would end with a link to the proof.
It's not measurably superior or the debate wouldn't continue. It's as simple as that. If it were measurably superior then that measurable superiority would have ended the debate long ago.As I pointed out, by stacking those things we cannot measure, but which should make a difference, we can produce an end product that is measurably superior.
Ok, I'll respond ignoring the fact that this is a somewhat obvious attempt to overstate the premise in an attempt to make it appear ridiculous.So we should go with smaller calibers, ball ammo, in short barrels?