RELATIVE stopping power, one-shot-stop

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Yup.

But substitute rifle rounds, and I don't think the lawyer would have been as chipper, even with poor shot placement.......


....because rifle rounds make a lot more kinetic energy. ;) Nothing magical about a rifle except that energy is one half mass times velocity squared. The velocity being high and energy being logarithmic in relation to velocity, it packs more punch than typical handgun rounds despite it's 100 grain projectile weight and .257" diameter.

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If my .25 caliber stick is magical, ruled by some hyper-physics known only to those on the other side of the worm hole, at what velocity does it cross the magic threshold and defy conventional physics? Perhaps because of its speed, it is ruled by the laws of quantum physics?

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oohhhh a relativity rifle...how cool...your adversary dies of the bullet wound the day before you shoot him.:D :D
 
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If my .25 caliber stick is magical, ruled by some hyper-physics known only to those on the other side of the worm hole, at what velocity does it cross the magic threshold and defy conventional physics? Perhaps because of its speed, it is ruled by the laws of quantum physics?

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Well.... having seen indivduals shot with both handguns, and high velocity rifle bullets.... if you want to call it magical...I wouldn't disagree.....
 
It's been explained several times. Certain people are amazing in their efforts to not only remain ignorant, but to flaunt that ignorance as if it were something to be admired. Oh, well.

Temporary cavity is when tissue flies away from the bullet's path, exactly like a splash in water. If the maximum diameter of the temporary cavity is less than about 4", you can expect absolutely no damage to occur in elastic tissues, like muscle, lung, bowels, etc. Greater than 6" without fragmentation, or greater than 5" with fragmentation, can cause a huge amount of shredding, as the elastic limit of tissue is exceeded.

Most handguns below .44 magnum power make a temporary cavity of about 2.5" to 3.5". Most high-powered rifles are 5" to 7". Nothing magical. Just plain old physics.

Transfer of momentum causes temporary cavity. Because of the way the forces work, energy correlates fairly well with total temporary cavity volume, minus the volume of tissue which is actually crushed. I'd say the threshold for elastic tissue damage is around 1000 ft-lbs, assuming adequate penetration.
 
It's been explained several times. Certain people are amazing in their efforts to not only remain ignorant, but to flaunt that ignorance as if it were something to be admired. Oh, well.

If you're going to resort to name calling like a Democrat, I'll just say, back atcha.:p

Momentum knocks over plates. Energy transfer damages tissue, causes pressure waves, temporary stretch cavities or what not. Of course, I don't claim to be a physicist. I'll let you argue with Dr. Courtney, but even that seems to do no good at all, so why waste breath on the subject?

All bow to Dr. Jeff Cooper now. :rolleyes: Suffice to say, my opinion is you're FOS.
 
Matheath, it is all much simpler than you think.

Marshall & Sanow lie. They falsified the data, so all their conclusions are lies. Therefore, their ""work"" is a made up fantasy and useless.

How can I say this?

1. A personal conversation with Even Marshall where he said: " I have 7 (I don't recall the exact number) kids, so I will write anything that will sell."

2. A close personal friend of mine is quoted in the book. My friend told me, and later published, that he never communicated with M&S in any way; they never saw any of his data; and, in fact, he knows nothing about 3 of the shootings attributed to him as the source. In fact, he never heard of these 3 shootings. His experience investigating (as a police department forensic scientist) shootings with this ammo was of two instances where the ammo failed completly is diametrically opposite what they put in the book.

3. Sanow published an article in Law & Order magazine, "The Rise and fall of the 147g 9mm". In the next issue, they printed a retraction and apology, as numerous officers had written the magazine, stating that they had been misquoted, or that they told Sanow about a shooting, and Sanow changed the facts to fit HIS format. Every shooting in the article was falsified or the facts altered.

So, why even discuss these liars and their lies?
 
There is some personal antagonism showing thru folks - and just maybe this thread is about done.

The theorizing could probably go on ad infinitum but probably now not to much greater good effect. Thx to many for some very interesting content.
 
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