Highpower1
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At the last gun show here in Atlanta that I attended, I purchased 3 handguns in a single day.
only 1 handgun per week? federal law? HUH?
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RUT
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Ah, but were they from the same dealer?
warddc
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Found the BATFe regulation
Here is the link to the BATFe regulation concerning this. It appears that if you buy more than 1 handgun in 5 business days, people will be asking alot of questions (feds, state police, etc...)
link: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#f5
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(F5) As a licensed dealer, must I advise ATF if I sell more than one handgun to an individual? [Back]
If you sell more than one handgun to any nonlicensee during a period of 5 consecutive business days, the sale must be reported on ATF Form 3310.4, Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers, and forwarded to the ATF office specified on the form no later than the close of business on the day the second handgun was sold. A copy of the form must also be sent to the state police or the local law enforcement agency where the sale occurred. A copy must also be kept in the records of the dealer. [18 U. S. C. 923( g)( 3), 27 CFR 178.126a]
Here is the link to the BATFe regulation concerning this. It appears that if you buy more than 1 handgun in 5 business days, people will be asking alot of questions (feds, state police, etc...)
link: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#f5
text:
(F5) As a licensed dealer, must I advise ATF if I sell more than one handgun to an individual? [Back]
If you sell more than one handgun to any nonlicensee during a period of 5 consecutive business days, the sale must be reported on ATF Form 3310.4, Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers, and forwarded to the ATF office specified on the form no later than the close of business on the day the second handgun was sold. A copy of the form must also be sent to the state police or the local law enforcement agency where the sale occurred. A copy must also be kept in the records of the dealer. [18 U. S. C. 923( g)( 3), 27 CFR 178.126a]
armoredman
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Come to AZ - we'll fill out the 4473 to the limit, and more copies if needed. Buy as many as you want at once - the form is filled out by the store, and sent to BATFE for two or more handguns in a 5 day work week at one FFL. Of course, I wish I made enough money to buy a handgun every week!
Johnny Guest
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It's a dealer thing - -
The BUYER has no additional paperwork to do when making multiple purchases in a five-day period. The DEALER must fill out an additional single-sheet form with information he takes from the form 4473. Probably takes about two minutes to do, plus transmission/mailing time.
In the vast morass of paperwork an FFL must handle, this is a minor irritant. Perhaps this particular dealer has drawn some unwelcome BATFE attention recently and wants to stay off their radar?
Again, no big deal for the purchaser.
Best,
Johnny
The BUYER has no additional paperwork to do when making multiple purchases in a five-day period. The DEALER must fill out an additional single-sheet form with information he takes from the form 4473. Probably takes about two minutes to do, plus transmission/mailing time.
In the vast morass of paperwork an FFL must handle, this is a minor irritant. Perhaps this particular dealer has drawn some unwelcome BATFE attention recently and wants to stay off their radar?
Again, no big deal for the purchaser.
Best,
Johnny
Highpower1
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you asked: Ah, but were they from the same dealer?
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Nope, was a good day at the gun show is all I can say. 3 different dealers with 3 different deals on 3 different guns that I "just had to have in my safe"
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Nope, was a good day at the gun show is all I can say. 3 different dealers with 3 different deals on 3 different guns that I "just had to have in my safe"
RUT
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Know the feeling.... know it well!!
Brad Johnson
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Yep, just like it says here...
Brad
Marshall
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Maybe it is "required" and some abide and some don't? I bought a revolver and pistol at the same time, carried them both out the door too. I didn't sign anything else.
russlate
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I did get a call from the ATF some time back on my purchase of an Armalite 180 and a Mac-11. I responded I'd bought the AR, but not the Mac. Turned out the dealer was adding guns to the 4473 after the customer left. I was one of many who he'd done this to. I offered to testify against him, but unfortunately he was already in hot water for delivering a homemade bomb to a Carson City Highway Patrolman which caused the HP major damage though he lived. So I never got to rip my pound of flesh from him.
I do now make sure the 4473 is completed fully to indicate a single sale per yellow sheet.
I do now make sure the 4473 is completed fully to indicate a single sale per yellow sheet.
Valkman
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I've had to fill out the "mutiple hangun" form a couple of times since I moved to Vegas - thought it went to local LE, not the ATF. That's good to know!
My dealer told me that if I buy a gun from him and mention that I've bought another gun within the last two weeks, then he has to fill out the form.
But anyway they trigger no audits and my dealer didn't mind. Your dealer is mis-informed or has something to hide.
My dealer told me that if I buy a gun from him and mention that I've bought another gun within the last two weeks, then he has to fill out the form.
But anyway they trigger no audits and my dealer didn't mind. Your dealer is mis-informed or has something to hide.
Gary G23
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Look at it this way. If you wait a week the government won't have a record of your purchase, just the FFL. I would a lot rather wait the week and not have the government hassling me.
Hkmp5sd
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Re-read Johnny Guest'a post. The BUYER doesn't do the paperwork, the dealer does. A dealer that doesn't "abide" is soon to be a former dealer. Unless he falsifies the date on the 4473s and his disposition record, his next audit will get him. Besides, why should he care? You are the one ATF visits if you raise too many flags, not him.
He's wrong. You could go to a gun show and buy one handgun from each table, in plain view of all othe dealers, and they do nothing as long as you only bought one gun from them. Besides, if you told him you bought the gun, how can he put the serial number down on the form?
FPrice
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Marshall...
The requirement only references handguns. It looks like you can buy a handgun and as many rifles/shotguns at the same time and the FFL does not have to report this.
The requirement only references handguns. It looks like you can buy a handgun and as many rifles/shotguns at the same time and the FFL does not have to report this.
Highland Ranger
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I did it twice this year - gun store encouraged it by giving me a discount and I paid the nics fee once for two guns.
My brother did it as well.
We both saved a few bucks. They filed one 4473 in each case listing both guns.
No problem that I know of . . . .
My brother did it as well.
We both saved a few bucks. They filed one 4473 in each case listing both guns.
No problem that I know of . . . .
RUT
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Whether a dealer chooses to abide by the law is his problem. If it were me I wouldn't want to lose my license over it.
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