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Open carry "victory", $25K payday.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by wally, May 27, 2014.

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  1. wally

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    Not a victory for the taxpayers......
     
  3. krupparms

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    This was a victory for taxpayers! How much money could this officer have cost his department if he & others continued there illegal behavior? And not to mention the officers that saw this behavior & thought it was ok? It only cost the citizens 25k! The taxpayers got off cheap! It could have been more!
     
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    Hey, I'm sorry but,,,

    Hey, I'm sorry but,,,
    The open carrier didn't waste the taxpayers money,,,
    The LEO's who arrested him in the first place wasted the money.

    Why is it that when "we" make a mistake,,,
    "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" gets evoked.

    When a LEO makes a mistake,,,
    We the people have to sue to get anything done.

    Besides, I'll bet his lawyer is the only one who sees any money.

    Aarond

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  5. Mainsail

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    This is in my opinion the most important line in the whole story. For too long people, especially news organizations, have equated gun ownership with illegal activity. I'm glad when it's pointed out that that is incorrect thinking- even if it was only his attorney.
     
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    I agree that the police screwed up, and that it costing them is probably a good thing, because it gives them an incentive to stop breaking the law and arresting people just because they feel like it.

    But I have to say...open carrying to The Dark Night Rises in a public theater 1 week after the Aurora shooting is something the vast majority of people would not do.
     
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    Interesting I'm in Colorado and this is the first I've heard of it
     
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    I'm sorry people, but openly carying a firearm into a venue already sensitized to a nutjob mass killing is just plain stupid. Note the key word: "openly"

    I question the man's judgement.
    Which for a man with a gun -- legal or not -- is a serious question.
     
  9. jbrown50

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    What he did was completely legal. He didn't threaten anyone, wasn't intoxicated, wasn't acting in a menacing or irresponsible manner and his handgun stayed in his holster. It was the person who reported him and the police who overreacted and used poor judgment.
     
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    You seem fundamentally unfamiliar with how government and their employees view the world.

    Unless some officicer got FIRED, someone's pay got cut or there were layoffs to cover the resultant $25k shortfall there is no incentive to stop whatever behavior landed the dpt in this situation beyond at most the possibility of an ass chewing (assuming the dpt doesn't feel the officer is in the right)

    These aren't employees of a private company where a $25k bill comes out of SOMEBODY'S pocket. The well from which these officers operate springs eternal in their mind
     
  11. Robert

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    The cops were absolutely in the wrong and I am glad that the department is having to pay up. But open carrying, legal or not, into the same theater when a week or so before people were killed is not the brightest thing either. I carry almost everywhere I go,but i carry concealed because I am not trying to make a point. Political or otherwise.

    If he really felt the need to carry why not conceal it and avoid the hassles altogether? I know, I know, it was legal and I am a PC false flag plant for even suggesting it but had he been concealed the cops would have never been called in the first place. I mean honestly what did he think was going to happen?
     
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    Robert, from the article he OC'ed regularly. Sounds like he wasn't trying to make a statement, but rather do what he'd been doing.
     
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    Robert; the way you state your opinion, it would lead one to think that you are stating that he open carried in the SAME theater that the shootings had occurred in a week prior. That's not the way I read the article. Maybe I just misunderstood your statement.
     
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    I may have been wrong on the same theater but same one or not, statement or not, why would one not exercise even a once of critical thinking and come to the conclusion that walking into a movie theater open carrying might be a bad idea?

    The entire city of Aurora, and the US for that matter, is on red alert for people with guns in theaters so why not lay low for a bit? Just unstuck your shirt or wear a light jacket. I carry everywhere I go, in an owb holster with a G22 because that is what i have, and I have yet to have an issue because I wear my shirt untucked.

    I get that he did this all the time and I am honestly fine with that but all I am saying is why not use some common sense from time to time and all of this could have been avoided.
     
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    It is ambiguous whether it was the same theatre as the shooting or the same theatre he'd gone to previously. I believe (but I could be wrong, there's a lot of propaganda on our side too) that the theatre in the Aurora shooting designated itself a GFZ; if that's the case then he shouldn't have been carrying there, and it would logically be a different theatre, but I could be wrong on that (in which case it could be either). As to why...
    This is the quote from the article. He also said that nobody else, except for the 911 caller, said anything about it, and that he'd done it all the time. I think he didn't think about it, much the way I don't think about putting my seatbelt on when I get into the car. I just do, because it's safer to have it on and it's something I always do. I imagine he probably didn't even think consciously about putting the gun on his hip any more than he did about grabbing his wallet or keys.

    I don't think this was a case of "making a statement" as it was the statement was made for him.
     
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    Totally irrelevant. (And I mean totally.) This was
    one week after the Batman killings -- one week.

    His judgement [carrying openly in a theater] in such
    circumstance was impaired to the point of terminal
    irresponsibility.
     
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    Robert,
    It was a different theater than where Holmes shot all of those innocent people:

    I also prefer concealed carry and I've carried that way 98% of the time. I have no desire to bring any more attention to myself than necessary.

    I've open carried though at a few organized events and I support open carry.
    Liberalized open carry laws are very important. Otherwise law abiding and peaceful citizens should not be harassed for the mere possession of a firearm whether it's seen or not.
     
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    "The city settled for $25,000, but admitted no wrongdoing." Typical, that seems to be the way things go now. No one admits they did anything wrong, i.e., banks, corps., gov't. Just pay the money and go on about your business doing the same thing. Unfortunately, it's not the police dept. who will pay, but rather the taxpayers.

    Until criminal charges come to these entities, nothing will change.
     
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    Explain why.
     
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    If I have to explain (as my father used to say) "...you're grounded until you figure it out."
    And my father was no one to trifle with, and I find the older I get, the smart he was.

    This is type of complete stupidity (on the OCr's part) that gets OC laws overturned in
    otherwise gun-friendly states.
     
  21. jbrown50

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    MEHavey,

    In what way did he act irresponsibly?
     
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    Ahh...the "Don't do it because if you do do it then they will make it illegal to do it" argument! 'Tis better to live in the fear that the government will do something rather than living free until the government takes the freedom away and then it can be fought in court? I must disagree.
     
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    You're grounded. ;)
     
  24. jbrown50

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    LOL!

    I was drinking tea when I saw that. You owe me a new keyboard.
     
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    Ok, I don't often weigh in on these, but....


    Seems that OC was this mans everyday thing.

    He's supposed to change his life because people have ignorant assumptions ? HTH does that work ?

    I'd cling to that dude like gumdrops on a shoe if he was in my theater at that time... might be the only dang thing that could keep me alive.

    I'm not an advocate of ChipotleCarry, but thats not even remotely what this guy was up to.... I think calling him "impaired", or implying anything of the sort makes us all look a might silly.
     
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