Opinion - Best AR15

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no idea. i'm sure it's temporary. admins are probably still blistered, lying in some alley in the french quarter or something :)

i'm on the list for G&R LPK too. grant had just posted that he had the UBRs in stock before the server went down. they are prob still in stock.
 
I like the quality of a Colt. However, LMT, Noveske and CD all make fine AR15s. Stay away from BM/DPMS/RRA and Stag if you're looking for quality materials/workmanship and as close to mil-spec as possible.

Better yet, acquire a complete LMT lower and slap a BCM/LMT upper onto it. Install a BCM/LMT BCG in the upper and you will have a high quality weapon at a very reasonable price. I recommend BUIS from Larue if you're going with a flat-top optics. Good luck and post pics when you decide.


Happy New Year to Everyone (including the BM/DPMS fan boys). :evil:
 
The AR I just started building which im going to make as light as possibale with a 16" (as light as I can find) bull barrel. I've starter with a NMMG stripped lower, unknown flat top upper with no forward assist. and a bushmaster trigger group (that I had from my BM benchrest AR that now has a jewel trigger which is awesome by the way). FltinBryan just gave me a pin set, now Im about to order a spring set and selector switch. thats as far as iv gotten.
 
The chart is nice. I've seen it posted many times. What I haven't seen is some data comparing the failure rates of peened and/or tested parts. I just keep getting assured that they are better. Until I see some serious numbers properly analyzed, the chart remains simply a checklist of how to spend more money. The chart, it should be emphasized, compares only a single model.
 
I like the quality of a Colt. However, LMT, Noveske and CD all make fine AR15s. Stay away from BM/DPMS/RRA and Stag if you're looking for quality materials/workmanship and as close to mil-spec as possible.

I was talking to people who said the opposite, stay away from Colts as they have had many flaws in their design and are not any more mil-spec than RRA. I have read lot of message boards with people complaining about problems with Colts, but I have not read so much of any but people complimenting the performance of their RRA and DPMS. When I was searching for ARs , after speaking with majority of people who owned various types of AR, I was convinced for the price that DPMS and RRA were best to get. Sure, I may be totally wrong, but this is the impression I received.

I spoke with an AR gun manufacturer who told me that Colts , RRA, Stags use a majority of the same parts. I am told majority of the Receivers are manufactured from Continental Arms. Also, RRA have two stage match trigger, and Hogue grip, chrome lined barrels, whereas Colts do not.
 
remember: the chart is referring to best BATTLE-READY MILSPEC AR-15. There are alot of AR makers out there that put out some much nicer-shooting but much more expensive ARs that would be lucky to have three of those things X'd in.

Noveske, LMT, Colt are your top three. CMMG comes in a close, close, clooooose fourth if you replace/ask for an upgraded bolt group in my opinion.

also, that is just for best brands. The best rifle is the one you build yourself. You can put so many more X's on the chart and nifty accessories and save more money at the cost of just not getting a warranty - something that you won't need if you buy quality parts.

Edit: also, as said, alot of things are made by the same manufacturers. These include:
-lower receivers
-upper receivers
-lower parts kits, pins, etc.
-buttstock kits
-rails
-standard grips and tubes
-bolt carriers
-charge handles
-sights and bases, gas blocks, A2 handle sights

the only main things that are made differently are the two things most scrutinized by the chart: the barrel/chamber, and the bolt...usually.
 
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LMAO.....i love it i realy do...........
well who makes the best....
hmmm if you buy a DPMS and clean it as your suposed to it will make you a fine AR...also shooting decent ammo
now if you buy a COLT and shoot 2000rd of wolf through it and don't bother to clean it don't come complaining to me!

WHAT HAPPENED MY $1500 COLT GIVE UP ON ME......DUHHHHH
 
I still don't see what makes a Colt better. What type of parts does it have that are customized compared to an RRA or DPMS? Why do so many people complain about the functionality of their Colts? I didn't even know Colts were more expensive rifles until people told me, because of all the bad reviews I have heard of them. Perhaps Colts get bad reviews, because people expect more out of them?? :confused:
 
You will never see testing data done to the extent that it would need to be done in order to be meaningful. Reasonable people understand this, but then reasonable people don't worry about discrediting a list of features.

In order to test for failure rates, you would have to buy at least 1,000 of each model, bought randomly at various shops throughout the country to avoid doping. Let's say there's 10 brands, that's 10,000 guns, and $10,000+/-. Then you have to shoot them, with at least 10,000 rounds/gun to get past the threshold of failure point for almost all the parts in an M4, and you'd have to do it relatively slow on semi-auto in order to simulate real world usage. That's 10,000 guns fired 10,000 times, equaling 100,000,000 rounds. At $.30/ round that's $30,000,000. That's also nearly 56,000 hours of test firing, not accounting for loading and cooling, at 2 seconds per shot. That's 7,000 eight hour days.

Even if you reduced all of this by a factor of 10, and only bought 100 examples of each gun you would still take YEARS of firing alone just to complete the test.
 
I still don't see what makes a Colt better. What type of parts does it have that are customized compared to an RRA or DPMS? Why do so many people complain about the functionality of their Colts? I didn't even know Colts were more expensive rifles until people told me, because of all the bad reviews I have heard of them. Perhaps Colts get bad reviews, because people expect more out of them??

who has complained to you about their colt?

i've been on firearms forums for quite some time and have only seen one person not happy with their colt.
 
now if you buy a COLT and shoot 2000rd of wolf through it and don't bother to clean it don't come complaining to me!

Why would I complain? It's still running fine! :neener:

All the Wolf in this picture is 5.56, and all of it was fed through nothing but Colts.
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what's the best for me is a SlR Grail., that is what i would have if money wasn't an issue, but since it is, my bushmaster that is 100% reliable, accurate and shoots well, i will keep it.
 
dang rob. you didnt buy all that ammo because the best gun salesman in the history of planet earth (Barack Obama)sold them to you did you?
 
No, that's an old pic.

'bout to order another 7k from ammoman though I think.
 
rob glad your COLT shoots the wolf
me i'm not willing to take that chance my colt eats my handloads only.....and groups very well with them i might add
 
I heard about them somewhere. let me know how fast you get it. 75% of online ammo shops are sold out or on backorder of .223. hey while I have ya. if you had your choice of bolt groups which would you get. its for the one im building for walk abouts. short and light is what im going for.
 
rob, how close is the POI for wolf compared to other ammo?
 
Armalite

since this is based on opinion..... I have a Armalite M15A4 24" Stainless Heavy Bull Barrel, Match Trigger, Leupold VX III 4.5X14-40 LR 30mm tube. Also have a Armalite AR-30 in 338 Lapua.
 

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olympic arms ml-2 no doubt. I have one and love it! It can group .5 moa all day with most ammo put through it. Plus it has a stainless free floated bull barrel and flat top. I put a doublestar six-pos stock on it and never went back. One of the best guns I have ever owned and will ever own.
 
you will all want the "Helz" AR-15 signiture series M4 Frankinrifle when it hits the shelves :p
 
rob, how close is the POI for wolf compared to other ammo?

IMHO it's right between Black Hills 75 and XM193, and least in this carbine.

ammo is
Black Hills 75 grain, Wolf 62, XM193, Prvi 55 grain,
Barnaul

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