The "good old days".interesting fact my mom now in her late 80's remembers when in high school, shooting
.22LR rifle was an elective offered
Orcon said:No Hanzo, you seem to really not understand how rights work. You are endowed by fact of being with certain rights and your only demand on others is to afford you acknowledgement of those rights. If I ever caught myself saying the things that you are saying here, to quote Justice Scalia, I would hide my head in a bag.
Oh I understand perfectly how rights work. And just like with every single other right there are limitations and regulations.
There's a difference between being taught something in grade school and being forced to do something as an adult.That is strange logic, we don't want the government requiring us to learn basic firearm safety, but we do want the government teaching us firearm safety as long as it's to kids in school?
Orcon said:Oh so unalienable rights are subject to the limitatons and regulation of the hand-wringing, safespace crowd. I must have missed those parts of the Bill of Rights, Federalist and Anti-federalist papers. I certainly don't remember John Locke touching on the subject.
Hanzo581 said:But that's not really the point, it's about being ok with a 21 year old being able to buy a gun and strap it on his hip and carry it around without requiring any experience whatsoever.
Carl N. Brown said:Think of the Chicago gun law requiring people to have training, but using zoning laws to hamstring any ranges in Chicago where training could be held because the political machine doesn't want to allow legal guns. Period.
My training to be certified as eligible to apply for a Tennessee permit to carry cost $75 and could be held over three working days or as a marathon Saturday morning and afternoon. 4 fours Gun law, written test; donuts and coffee; 4 hours gun safety, written test; firing a qualifying target at the firing line.
That is not enough for true gun haters. I think Illinois started with 16 hours, $800, requirement that you get absence from work (classes on weekdays 9am to 5pm only), barriers and obstacles designed to discourage. That's the history of gun control in America.
I think general gun safety courses should be available, encouraged but not required.
So no limitations on any rights sound reasonable to you? I mean right to bear arms means I should be able to buy an RPG at my local gun show right? Maybe some frag grenades? I have always wanted a Javelin.
And how about felons? Why shouldn't their right to bear arms be automatically restored the moment they are released? How about people carrying while drunk or high? Certainly not allowing them to is an infringement.
Orcon said:Absolutely, the more the merrier. If they're safe enough for the doofuses in the federal government then they're safe enough for the rest of us.
Seven states,Alaska,Arizona,Kansas,Maine,Mississippi,Vermont, and West Virginia ,not only don't require any firearms training, they don't even require a permit.
So recently I started working at a big box retailer selling firearms. I used to be opposed to the idea of requiring people to pass a safety course before owning a firearm. Now, after being on this side of the counter and dealing with the general public, I have changed my opinion.
I assumed common sense was more prevalent than it is. Turns out, your average gun buyer is a complete and utter imbecile. I am surprised there aren't more gun related accident than there are annually.