Opinions on 10mm Glock

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What's the general consensus on the Glock model 20? Will they hold up to frequent shooting with full power 10mm loads? Are they accurate?

Any other brands of 10mm pistols in the same general price range?
 
Don't fit me well, I can only shoot Glocks accurately off sandbags. Not a tremendous choice in 10mm pistols. But if you like (or can stand) the Glock trigger and the Model 20 is not too big for your hand go for it.

--wally.
 
Seems to me that I read that the Glock 20 was designed specifically for the 10mm with an eye towards an FBI contract (Glock, The New Wave in Combat Handguns, Kasler) and followed a very short time later by .45 ACP (G21). They have their own subforum at Glocktalk.com. From what I've read the guns hold up well. I have a low mileage G20 (bought it new) and it's been great. A real blast to shoot and is at least as accurate as any of my other Glocks, but more often seems like it's much more accurate.

As far as other brands in the same price range, forget it. EAA's Witness 10mm was less, but owners seem to be somewhat less satisfied with them and I'm not sure EAA is still importing these guns. My Kimber Eclipse 10 was a little over $1k NIB and is even more expensive now. Only other Kimber offered is the Target 10, which is about $900. Used Colt Delta Elites will set you back at least $800 per copy and finding a nice one is getting worse b/c they have been long discontinued and are generating decent collector interest. Dan Wesson offers their 1911 in 10 mm (Razorback, I think it's called) but it's running around $800-900. That's really all I know of right now.
 
I would think that the G20 could be a very good anti-black bear backup gun (to a rifle).

10mm is a very powerful round that many use to hunt boars.

The Glock 20 is one of the better platforms to launch the 10mm.

If your hands are big enough for the grip, I'd highly recommend the G20.

I have its weaker brother, the Glock 21... and I love it despite having small hands. Its by far the most accurate Glock I've ever shot.
 
The G20 is a steadfast and true 10MM platform. The handle is a bit big but for the majority of the folks I know that have them say they are just fine.

Its a breeze to carry in the bush and the 10MM round offers you .357 mag velocities or higher and gives you 15 rounds instead of 6.
 
I load some pretty heavy loads for my G20 and I have never had the slightest problem with it. I killed my deer with it last year and intend to get my deer and my elk with it this year. I carry all the time while in the woods and have the utmost faith in it as far as accuracy and reliability.
As far as grip size, I fixed that also. It was one of our earlier ones (2003) so it looks like $#!t but we pretty well got the process down pat now and can make some very comfortable guns. Below is a pic of my G20 and below that, just for comparison, are a couple of pics of other ones we have done.

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Those are some odd frames on the 20's there Scout! The rail with no finger grips! I can see one has had some grip reduction surgery but the last pic is odd. Maybe Gen 2.5? My Gen 3 has tac rail and finger grooves while my gen 2 is like the first pic! Great gun by the way although ammo is NOT cheap! Options are few in this caliber but I would Buy Dan Wesson's Point man Seven in 10mm as my .45 DW PM7 is SWEET!
 
Right now the Glock 20 and 29 are the only guns designed for the 10mm currently on the market. The other guns are all designs retrofitted for the 10mm. That suggests to me that the Glock is likely to be ahead of the pack in terms of durabiliy and reliability for the high-pressure round.
 
SilentArmy,
All three of those guns have been reduced, just to different degrees. We're doing a 21SF right now and it is going to have about the same feel a G17 when we get done with it.

I can barely reach the trigger.
We can fix that.
 
Howdy John1911 and et al.,

I've got a G20 that is several years old. It doesn't quite get shot as much as the other Glock patterns in other calibers. The 10 mm round is a fun round but it is pricier than other rounds both for factory loads and reload components. That is one of the principle limiting factors why this pistol doesn't get shot as much.

However, I'll clarify that mine has over 5K + successfully launched through it. This has been roughly an equal mix of full charge 10mm rounds and 40 SW factory ( I use a conversion barrel, I call it my G20/40 setup). No issues with the pistol in running through good quality ammo. It even runs the sub-sonic LEO Winchester Silver tip 10mm ammo well too.

Using the full charge 10mm ammo busting on the 300 meter rams are not too difficult once you get dialed in. One of the range masters was so curious to what that there pistol was. I told him that it was a Glock 20 in 10mm. Never heard of that. So I show him one of the rounds compared to a 40 SW which he uses. Wow, can I try that? She barks pretty good! He wanted to know right then and there if there was a conversion barrel for his XD to shoot 10mm. Sorry it doesn't work that well going the other direction, I'm not even sure it is possible with the XD.

My pistol has represented the same extremely satisfactory quality and consistency as all of my other Glock patterns. They run well! The changes I've made to my Glocks have been elective to enhance my shooting experience, not to correct a function deficiency. I've changed out the factory front sight to a thin tritium sight to match all the others. I like having some daylight on both sides of the front post and the tritium is cause I use my pistols for fun and serious applications. I did put a factory adjustable rear sight in anticipation of needing adjustments to accommodate the conversion barrel, but it turned out that both barrels shot to the same point as long as things stay under 30 meters. The 40SW just doesn't have the gas to keep up with the 10mm past that point.

The only other modification has been to install a Glock OE #3.5 connector to make the trigger more manageable. That will probably change to one of the Lone Wolf Distributors #3.5 connectors shortly. If you've not tried one of those yet, it is well worth the small investment to vastly improve the trigger manipulation.

So there you have it. Mine has proven to be very reliable. So much so that it is my trail gun of choice. Jaunts about SE AZ will always find the G20 with me. Using the G20/40 configuration allows me to run the beast in limited/major class at the regional USPSA matches using the less costly 40SW ammo.

You last question is one that I'm not sure there is an easy answer to. I believe that there is a 10mm Witness. I've only shot one for a couple of rounds. One of the gun store owners was out at the range the same time I was and he brought one out to try. He allowed me to run a few through. I believe the Witness was a bit less expensive. It shot ok for those few rounds. It was somewhat close to regulated with the sights out of the package, but no where like other pistols which were good to go from the box. The trigger was very interestingly different from a Glock trigger, livable but needing attention. A good friend also has one of the Dan Wesson 1911 in 10mm. His was one of the first patterns run by DW before CZ purchased them. The craftsmanship on this one is pretty good. It is not in the same price range as the Glock, so be prepared. It shot reasonably well. It is very selective on ammo, it did not like some of the hollow point ammo versions. Also finding magazines could be challenging depending where you are.

I hope this information has been of assistance. Go out and try a few patterns before you buy one. You can also check out some of the other forums for more information (ie. 10mmtalk) Enjoy the testing!

Cheers!
 
Thanks for all the help.

I'm trying to decide my next handgun and think a 10mm may fit in with my taste for less than common calibers. Looks like the Glock is gonna be the best choice based on my budget.
 
I've got a G20 and a DE. The G20 with an M6 light is my current house gun.

As above, the grip on the G20 is like holding a brick. I guess they purposely made it big to distribute the recoil over a wider area. A shame, as it doesn't recoil nearly as much as a 44 mag or 45 LC with heavy loads. The DE is as easy to control as any 1911.

You'll want to get into hand loading if you're going to shoot the 10mm very much. I currently use Starline cases with WW primers and Blue Dot along with Speer Gold Dot 180's. To say it's impressive would be an understatement.

One problem for hand loaders is that the spent cases fling a LONG way. Makes finding the empties difficult.
 
For me, the issue had nothing to do with the G20 being a good pistol. It is solidly built, shot everything I ever put into it (including reloads), and never failed. The issue was that it did not fit my hand at all and I never mastered the trigger pull and grip required for the Glock. Note: This is not G20 specific, I have the same problem with any Glock.
I went with a Dan Wesson 10mm CBOB. I just am a 1911 guy and needed to face up to the fact. While not initially designed for 10mm (as other posters have accurately pointed out), the gun has been flawless and is much, much easier for me to operate. Additionally, since I already have a commander sized 45 Auto, my favorite IWB holster can accomodate either pistol. I know that some carry their G20 in IWB holsters, I just know that I could manage it and use comfort in a sentence at the same time.
Go with what works and what fits your hand. The 10mm is an awesome cartridge that really turns your auto into a great weapon.
 
The G-20 built like a tank. If there is any platform that is built for the 10mm, it is the G-20. It is an awesome platform and really tames the big round. It is the most comfortable glock to shoot to me, but my hands are not small. I don't think you can go wrong with the G-20. :D
 
As far as other brands in the same price range, forget it. EAA's Witness 10mm was less, but owners seem to be somewhat less satisfied with them and I'm not sure EAA is still importing these guns.

I think the situation is mostly that if you have an issue with a Tanfoglio through EAA, in 10mm or any other flavor, you're going to have loads of grief where someone like Glock would make it right with a lot less run around.


My Kimber Eclipse 10 was a little over $1k NIB and is even more expensive now. Only other Kimber offered is the Target 10, which is about $900. Used Colt Delta Elites will set you back at least $800 per copy and finding a nice one is getting worse b/c they have been long discontinued and are generating decent collector interest. Dan Wesson offers their 1911 in 10 mm (Razorback, I think it's called) but it's running around $800-900. That's really all I know of right now.

All three models of 1911 Dan Wesson does -- Pointman, Classic Bobtail, and Razorback -- are presently offered in 10mm. Bud's Gunshop stocks the Pointman and CBOB in 10mm (I've never actually seen a Razorback for sale or anywhere besides internet pictures . . .), in the 800-900 price range. I will say that they're very much worth it, my CBOB 10mm is an outstanding pistol and a bargain at the bit less than $900 I paid for it (looked at the Kimber Eclipse, but it was $1100 + tax at my local store).

Anyway, back to the main topic -- I agree with those posters who noted possible grip size issues with the G20, but if it fits your hand and is comfortable to shoot its probabaly the best bang for your buck in 10mm.
 
I've purchased a Kimber Eclipse 10mm and a Glock 29. After a couple of years, the Glock 29 has consistently been my trail and camping gun. Its light, it can use 15 round magazines, and it has literally less felt recoil than the much heavier Eclipse. All that and the Glock is half the price of the Kimber. I don't think its too hard to figure out that I sold the Eclipse!

Yes, the grip is a bit large for me and it doesn't feel as good in my hand as a 1911, but I'll get over it. Its a tool. And if I really want to, I'll spend a little extra to get a grip reduction. Given the price and performance, its a great buy.
 
I have a 20 & 29 and they both shoot well. The 29 is set up for carry and the 20 is set up for hunting. The 6" Lone Wolff barrel in the 20 really gets the most out of the 10mm and the Double Tap ammo is the best 10mm ammo for carry and hunting.
 
I like my G20 a lot. I have never heard anything negative said about it its longevity even with super hot loads.

You can also buy conversion barrels in .40 that let you shoot cheaper and more available ammo. They only cost $100-$150, and will pay for themselves in a hurry if you don't reload. You don't need to swap out magazines our extractors or anything else for the swap. You can also get conversion barrels for a wide variety of other caliber to include .357 sig, 9x25 dillon, and probably a few more obscure rounds. I heard rumors that someone made a wildcat case that necked a 10mm down to 30 cal for super high velocities.

I did meet someone who shot a lot of 40 through his G29, and said he never had any problems with it. I however do not reccomend the practice.
 
Glock may not make'em pretty, but they do make them to work. As with the other Glock pistols, the 20/29 work & work well.
 
I have a very high opinion of the Glock 20.
The owners of most shops won't carry them as a stock item because they think they take too long to turn, true from a business perspective, but I like them better than the .45s
 
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