Remington 158gr lead semiwadcutter hollowpoint .38 spl +p
And yet penetration is the only way to stop a subject. If you don't reach their vitals you won't stop them. What they realized is that you can't count on a nice open shot at the unprotected chest of your target. Things like arms, thick clothing, car doors, and walls have a funny way of getting between you and your target. Over penetration means one other thing too: a second wound, likely larger than the first, that will increase blood loss. Also, the mere fact that a bullet exits doesn't mean it didn't expand, or didn't do enough trauma. It's like saying that a shot with a 3" exit wound would have been more effective if it had been less powerful so that it didn't exit.Don't be overly influenced by the tests (especially the FBI tests, which clearly overemphasize penetration).
No, the blame rests with both the bullet AND their incompetence. If the bullet had performed better despite all their stupidity that day (and there was plenty of it) the fight still would have been over quickly.The blame rests with......NOT a single 9mm bullet, but with an amazingly large dose of poor human performance.
Over penetration means one other thing too: a second wound, likely larger than the first, that will increase blood loss.
Are you saying if that bullet hadn't penetrated farther it wouldn't have made a difference? Why can't both be contributing factors? Just because they were also idiots doesn't mean we can't learn anything from what happened. The old saying "Shot placement is King, penetration is Queen, and everything else is angels dancing on the heads of pins" came around for a reason you know Yes, they made a ton of mistakes that day. Yes, they never owned up to it. But in the process they also highlighted the need for penetration in self defense rounds.No, that one bullet was used as a scapegoat.
Every time your ears ring you've suffered some amount of permanent damage. Go fire off a hot 125 grain .357 load indoors with no ear protection, then come back and tell us if that's something you ever want to do again when there are plenty of great alternatives.Another thing.....don't be overly concerned about noise and muzzle flash.
The bad guy gets them in his face. They are part and parcel of the damage you are inflicting to take him down. Your hearing will return to normal in minutes.
Seriously? I have to explain to you that when bullet doesn't exit there's only one hole, and when a bullet does exit there's two? Ever heard of an "exit wound" before? Did you know it's not the same thing as an entry wound?You better explain that one.
And there are a ton of other tried and true compromises that also have excellent records that don't have the same disadvantages.Bottom line, no one bullet can do it all, but a good 125 grain .357 Magnum is a tried and true compromise that has an excellent record of success in various circumstances.
That's because if they had just had bigger guns all their stupidity that day wouldn't have been displayed in front of the worldThey made a big deal out of that one-inch lack of penetration.
And yet penetration is the only way to stop a subject. If you don't reach their vitals you won't stop them. What they realized is that you can't count on a nice open shot at the unprotected chest of your target. Things like arms, thick clothing, car doors, and walls have a funny way of getting between you and your target.
Yes, they made a ton of mistakes that day. Yes, they never owned up to it. But in the process they also highlighted the need for penetration in self defense rounds.
Thus it has a long reputation of excellent all-around performance.
Every time your ears ring you've suffered some amount of permanent damage. Go fire off a hot 125 grain .357 load indoors with no ear protection, then come back and tell us if that's something you ever want to do again when there are plenty of great alternatives.
Ever heard of the boiled frog?I've done it. My ears are fine.
And there are a ton of other tried and true compromises that also have excellent records that don't have the same disadvantages.
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I've done it. My ears are fine.
Ever heard of the boiled frog?
Clearly you haven't heard of it. If you had, you'd know that by definition, "suddenly" has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Ever heard of the boiled frog?
I'm 62 years old.
I doubt that my ears are going to suddenly quit on m
Thank goodness we've progressed since then.Today they'd call it child abuse, but we didn't know any better in those days.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=466310A ton?
Of .357 Magnums?
Show us.
And what about during those few minutes when you're struggling to hear light footsteps in another room? What if you've shot an intruder with your big magnum, and the other one walks up behind you and smashes you over the head with a baseball bat because you couldn't hear him coming?As I stated, your hearing will come back to normal in a few minutes
And what about during those few minutes when you're struggling to hear light footsteps in another room? What if you've shot an intruder with your big magnum, and the other one walks up behind you and smashes you over the head with a baseball bat because you couldn't hear him coming?
True, but there are differing degrees. Some will not be nearly so severe as a 125gr .357 Mag. I don't really think I should have to explain that to you.You'll have the same problem with any handgun blast in close quarters. Everybody's ears will be ringing for a while......so?