Opinions on Russian Mosin-Nagants?

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I have an opportunity to purchase a Russian Mosin-Nagant rifle for $78 in "excellent" condition.

At that price, I'm quite tempted even though the gun itself doesn't really appeal to me.

Opinions of these?

How do they function? It looks to be a bolt action, but do they use mags or clips?

Any other info is appreciated!


Thanks!
Drjones
 
It is a bolt action with internal 5-round magazine. You can load it one-by-one into the magazine, or use a clip - but not required. Its safty is simple, but awkward.

Ammo is cheap, but most of them are corrosive. You need to clean it right after shooting.

It kick pretty good, and is a lot of fun. I like them and have about 9 mosin of various kinds myself.
 
I have one Mosin-Nagant, an M-44 carbine. 5-round magazine, bolt action, stripper clips to feed the mag (or you can feed the mag 1 round at a time by hand). 7.62x54 caliber.

The M-44 with the flip-out bayonet (a ring on the bayo snaps over the muzzle to hold the bayo extended) usually has a horizontal POI change witn bayo extended vs bayo folded. Mine shifts about 4" @ 100Yds.

Very interesting history behind these rfiles, too. Some of the early ones were made by Remington. Yes, THAT Remington in Illion, NY

And as pbhome pointed out, MOST of the ammo is corrosive-primed, unless you get something like the USA Brand (AKA Winchester White Box) "metric caliber". but a $4/20 of the surplus corrosive stuff, vs about $14/20 of the USA brand.....well I can buy a lot of Windex for that.
 
What! You don't have one yet!:D

I love mine. I have a M44 and M38 which is in essence a M44 without a Bayo. I find that the M38 makes a great "truck" type carbine. The lack of a bayonnet makes it point better and have a nicer feel to me.

Cheapo corrosive primed is great for shootem up ammo. If you plan on using it for a truck gun as well then considering investing in some modern commercial ammunition. That way you can shoot and not worry about cleaning.

Extraction can be rather sticky with some brands of ammo and the safety isn't greatest out there. Still, they are great rifles with a lot of history behind them.

Good Shooting
Red
 
try one

sog has good very good ones for 39.00 on sale..i bought a spare at that price...they are fun to shoot..cheap and full of history
 
These have become my favorite rifles. Here's a brief run-down of my two cents on various makes:

Original 1891--These are long, heavy and fun to shoot. But they have the same goofy tangent sights starting at "400" (400 Russian somethings, IIRC), that most 1890's era rifles have.

Russian 91/30--The classic WII M-N. Long, but surprisingly light and well-balanced. Accuracy and quality mixed. I've had my best luck with pre-war production. But even the good shooters get only about 2MOA. Some are much worse, a few sniper models are better. It's a workhorse rifle. The tangent sights start at one hundred meters. Parts are cheap and easy to obtain as are sporter stocks, scope mounts, mojo sights, etc.

Russian M38 Carbine--This is my favorite carbine. Sadly most of the stuff on the market has been abused and counter-bored to stretch the barrels beyond their normal working life. Accuracy can be horrible. Get one that hasn't been counter-bored and slug the bore to make sure it's not nearing the 8mm mark!

Russian M41 Carbine--These are the carbines with the built-in bayonets. There are a lot of unissued Polish ones out there that shoot OK, but IMHO they are too heavy.

Finnish Captures--Anything with [SA] on it was most likely captured by the Finns during the Winter War or Continuation War. Some of their captures are unaltered, some improved a little and some improved a lot.

Finnish Mosins--The Finns used old 1891 receivers to build custom Mosins for their small military forces. The varieties are too diverse to discuss here. Generally the most beat-up are the M-28's and variants that saw the rough end of the Winter War. The M-38s from the less intense Continuation War are often in excellent condition, and have the reputaiton for being the best shooters of all Mosins. All Finn Mosins tend to be heavier than Ruskies, mostly because of thicker stocks and heavier barrels. If you want a rifle which most likely saw active combat, get an old M-28 "White Death" rifle. The Winter War was without doubt one of the most intense conflicts of the 20th century.

As far as ammo, the Berdan primed modern Ruskie production is at worst very mildly corrosive. I've never had a problem with it. Surplus ball can be very corrosive. The Boxer primed S&B should not be corrosive at all. The modern Ruskie ammo is quite good, BTW. Don't let the low price fool you.
 
As far as the infamous safety--I've grown to love it. It absolutely locks the pin back on the receiver using the main spring itself. It's probably the safest safety ever invented. Just get used to the 20 lb. weight of the main spring and you'll start to love it too. :D

Extraction depends totally on the rifle in question. If the rifle has good headspace and is functioning properly extraction should be butter-smooth.

Also--don't let "loose" bolts fool you. The locking lugs are on a different piece of steel. The lugs and bolt head can be absolutely locked while the bolt body still has some play in it. These are very safe rifles.
 
The M-38s from the less intense Continuation War are often in excellent condition, and have the reputaiton for being the best shooters of all Mosins.

Dontcha mean M-39?
 
Yeah, thanks. Too many M's An SA marked M38 Carbine from the Continuation war would be pretty cool. Now that I think on it I've never seen one.
 
As far as ammo, the Berdan primed modern Ruskie production is at worst very mildly corrosive.

Wolf (Russian) makes some non-corrosive Berdan primed for about 6 bucks/20.

I've heard some complaints about their laquer coating getting sticky and causing extraction problems.

I just got mine a couple weeks ago and haven't fired it yet (too many dang deer hunters clogging up the rifle ranges!):)
 
But they have the same goofy tangent sights starting at "400" (400 Russian somethings, IIRC),

Arshins...they are measured in Arshins...each arshin is 28 inches...soo 400 arshins is 311 yards if I can multiply correctly.

WildrasputinAlaska
 
I've got one in almost every flavor

I still need a nice '91 and a Chinese 53, and I don't want a Finn. They tend to come dirty, usually takes me at least week to get one ready for the range. I think they have the best iron sights of any of the C&R's. And nothing roars like one of the carbines.
 
Hmmmm, love my M-44. I've had mine about 3 1/2 years, and I've probably put 500 rounds thru it in that time. You just can't beat the prices either.

Frank
 
Wolf seems to have switched from that thick laquer to a copper-washed steel. These do extract better.

Excellent, cause I have 3 boxes just dying to be shot!:D

Deer season opened last Friday so hopefully all the "once a yearers" will be gone soon.....

I've been wearing out the snap caps goofing with the thing!
 
Mosin-Nagants are wonder weapons. Even when old, and worn, they can be counted on for rapid, deadly fire power. They are industructable, totally reliable, target grade accurate, and cheap. I can't for the life of me figure out thy those stupid Russians went for newer weapons. Must have something to do with the military industrial complex.

Maybe the US gummint could buy a million of them from SOG or another dealer like that, and re equip our boys and girls in Iraq with a more effective rifle than the M4.
 
Buy it. I have a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and a M38. So much fun to shoot. Ammo is cheap as dirt. $78!! that's pennies considering the fun you'll have. Recoil isn't bad on the 91/30, it's a little stout on the carbines. I think everyone should have one in their collection.
 
If anyone in the Sacramento area is interested, email me and I can most likely get you in on the deal. :)

I think you guys have me convinced. I think I may go for the shorter-barrelled model with a working bayonet!!! :D
 
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