Welding Rod
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I mostly shoot iron sights but when I shoot optics it is usually either an Aimpoint M4S or an Aimpoint T-1. I used to use Eotechs, and like their reticles, but I think the Aimpoints are a better quality sight.
Optics for your AR
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Justin
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The Eotechs have a lot going for them, but the Aimpoints are just bombproof, simple, and the batteries last forever.
The T-1 is just a great little red dot.
The T-1 is just a great little red dot.
4x fixed Hakko electrodot
Burris 536
4x fixed UTG (I have had one of these fail after 1000+ rounds of 5.56, it's on my .22lr upper)
I've never shot better than 2moa at 100 yards with any of these scopes.
Burris 536
4x fixed UTG (I have had one of these fail after 1000+ rounds of 5.56, it's on my .22lr upper)
I've never shot better than 2moa at 100 yards with any of these scopes.
FrankCastleThePunisher
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I agree Dean1818 that the Leupold VXR 1x4 scopes are awesome. My AR and Tavor have one mounted.
For red dots, I look no further than the Aimpoint PRO.
For ~$400 (or less on sale) It's bombproof, exceptionally clear, comes with a great (if heavy) QRP-2 mount, and has a battery life measured in years. Mine is almost 3 years old, on its original batteries, and has never been turned off.
It's like using irons, since it's always ready to go. No buttons to fumble with.
For ~$400 (or less on sale) It's bombproof, exceptionally clear, comes with a great (if heavy) QRP-2 mount, and has a battery life measured in years. Mine is almost 3 years old, on its original batteries, and has never been turned off.
It's like using irons, since it's always ready to go. No buttons to fumble with.
simonstough
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i have magpul folding irons on mine right now, i had a tru glo red dot on it until i bought the magpul sights and took it off because i can't co-witness. but tax time is coming up so i'm going to get a few luepold vx-hog scopes, one for my 5.56, one for my wifes 5.56 and one for the .300 blackout i'm putting together at the same time. i just need a mount that will co-witness.
Lennyjoe
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6.8 SPC - Nikon P223
300 Blackout - Primary Arms Multi Reticle and mag pull flip sites
.223 AR's (x2) both have A2 sites
.223 flat top AR - Sightmark Multi Reticle for now. Battery life sucks tho so it will be tossed soon.
AR Pistol still in the works but will get a holograph site of some sort.
One day when I can afford it I may move up to aim points.
300 Blackout - Primary Arms Multi Reticle and mag pull flip sites
.223 AR's (x2) both have A2 sites
.223 flat top AR - Sightmark Multi Reticle for now. Battery life sucks tho so it will be tossed soon.
AR Pistol still in the works but will get a holograph site of some sort.
One day when I can afford it I may move up to aim points.
The smaller the dot the better. They're great for speed and can be decent for accuracy at close range. With a 2 MOA ultradot, I once put 30 rounds into 2" at 50 yards with my Browning Buckmark pistol. Twice in a row. (Off a bench). I can do half that with my 10/22 & red dot. Out at 100 yards, pinpoint accuracy gets tricky.
My ideal for a multi-purpose gun is a 3-12x scope with a small red dot scope like a Burris FastFire on a 45 degree angle mount.
wally
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With a red dot you need to look through the dot and focus your vision on the target. I'd wager that focusing on the EOTech dot instead of the target is where your sighting errors are coming from. Since the EOTech seems to project its dot at "optical infinity" the errors from focusing on the dot instead of the target is greatly reduced compared to others.
This is the red dot optics largest strength IMHO, as under stress its really hard to focus on anything but the threat.
Scopes "solve" the problem by having the reticle and target focused in the same plane, but this can only be the case at a single target distance leading to parallax errors unless the scope has an adjustable objective. But with a scope you are giving up a lot in terms of field of view and time futzing with adjustments.
Irons are the best (unless you were cursed with poor vision) until you get old
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i am probably missing some, but these days i am using following on my ARs:
Swaro z6i 1-6x - great glass, great for matches
USO 1-8x - perfect SPR type optic
aimpoints, mostly micro T1s - great for short range speed, in conjunction with IR laser
vortex 1-6x HD - improvement over the swaro above
ACOG TA31F-RCO - bombproof, great glass, good compromise but a little slow on close targets
Swaro z6i 1-6x - great glass, great for matches
USO 1-8x - perfect SPR type optic
aimpoints, mostly micro T1s - great for short range speed, in conjunction with IR laser
vortex 1-6x HD - improvement over the swaro above
ACOG TA31F-RCO - bombproof, great glass, good compromise but a little slow on close targets
If I added all that gear together I could buy a condo in Florida
I have an Aimpoint CompC3 on my RRA LAR-6.8 and an Aimpoint Pro on my DPMS Lite 16 A3, both are dead on at 100yds. I've considered replacing them with scopes, but can't really justify it as the red dots are so much faster and easy to hit with.
mdauben
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I put a LUCID HD7 on my M&P 15 Sport not long after I bought it last year. I've been very happy with it to date. I paid a bit more but they are going for a street price of under $200 now.
chicharrones
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Yeah, the parallax was something I noticed if I moved my head around looking through towards a 100 yard target.
For looking through the dot at the target with both eyes open, it is fantastic and doesn't increase eye strain in a noticeable way. Closer range shooting is quicker and easier with the dot and that reticle around the dot leads my eye to the dot nicely.
Since my EOTech is lower co-witnessed, I can lower my eye and use the center dot on the front sight with the front sight in the rear aperture. I thought it might be more accurate this way since I can focus more clearly on the dot than the front sight. However, I haven't accomplished that feat yet. Maybe it would be possible with more of a target type ammo. That isn't what I got my AR for though, so I'm not too worried about it.
Trijicon TR24G (1-4x variable, dual illuminated reticle using fiber optics and tritium)
Aimpoint PRO
The optics are selected are not cheap, because I don't like cheap stuff on most of my firearms. Cheap stuff is cheap, and more likely to fail. JMO
What kind of accuracy you get takes into account many many variables beyond the optic you are using. Are you shooting from a lead sled, bench, or sandbag? Or are you shooting from a bipod? Or a a monopod'd magazine or a sling? Or are you shooting seated or standing? What ammunition are you using? What distances and conditions? What rail (free float or not)? What group sizes and are you being honest with yourself and others when you report the accuracy you are getting?
I can easily shoot a "Rifleman" score on an Appleseed AQT, on every attempt, with an unmagnified red dot site, and bulk ammunition such as Federal XM193 and XM855.
With the Accupoint on 4x using the magazine as a monopod, but no outside support, and mk262, I have seen 5 shot groups of 1.5" at 100 yards in a Colt 6920 with free float rail.
Hey thanks everyone for their input. I've been on the road for a couple of weeks and haven't been able to check in. A lot of good ideas here. Like I said I have the Nikon P-223 on one AR already, but I've seen some very interesting options for an optic for the other AR that I have. Again thank you everyone for your input....greatly appreciated.
I have a Leupold 1.5 x 5 x 30mm (lighted reticle) on my Wilson Combat Recon 6.8 SPC; I am just a deer hunter or occasional paper puncher. I would have put tactical glass on it but fell in love with this scope; used for hunting so mounted a hunting scope - seems to work very well. I get half inch groups at 100 using the 110 V-MAX. I have killed one deer with this rifle so far (a fairly large bodied animal) and it dropped where it stood. I really like the rifle and scope combo.
ApacheCoTodd
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3x9 Redfield on a 20"
ACOG on an M-4
Aimpoint on a CAR
What I really, really want though - even though I love my beat up MILSPECs is to revisit the Hensoldts we had on M-16A2s in 5th group. That scope, and A2 and M855... what a combo that was.
ACOG on an M-4
Aimpoint on a CAR
What I really, really want though - even though I love my beat up MILSPECs is to revisit the Hensoldts we had on M-16A2s in 5th group. That scope, and A2 and M855... what a combo that was.
My current one and only AR has an Eotech XPS2-0 sitting on it. I like the wide field of view that it gives me and the precision that the 1 MOA center dot affords. The major limiting factor in the accuracy department so far has been me, as the rifle groups well and hits right where the dot is pointing.
I'm feeling the itch for something different for my next AR, which is currently just a complete BCM lower awaiting an upper. I haven't quite decided yet on the exact combo of rail and barrel length, but I'm pretty sure it will receive a Vortex Viper PST 1-4x.
I'm feeling the itch for something different for my next AR, which is currently just a complete BCM lower awaiting an upper. I haven't quite decided yet on the exact combo of rail and barrel length, but I'm pretty sure it will receive a Vortex Viper PST 1-4x.
CharlieDeltaJuliet
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I just bought a Burris MTAC 1-4X24. I really like it. My favorite is still an Aimpoint....
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