P-01 fails to eject

[MR73]

My new P-01 fails to eject to shot case about 6% of the time.
Always used the same 9mm FMJ Sellier & Bellot nontox ammo.

After shooting the round, it get blocked as a the gun makes an attempt to chamber a new round. The whold mechanism get locked up and requires that the magazine be taken out before being able to clear the chamber and new bullet.

A thread on cz-forum states the same problem but with aluminum cased CCI's. Here, we have brass...

Any input?

 

[buttrap]

Try the S&B Tox stuff?

 

[SamlautRanger]

That can't be possible, some other forum members say they are 100% reliable!

 

[Walt Sherrill]

I responded on the CZ Forum.

Are you using a stock recoil spring?

If everything is stock, try a Wolff extra-strength extractor spring. That's one area where some CZs have shown a weakness.

If the springs are otherwise stock, and the new extractor spring doesn't fix it, contact CZ, and let them get it right.

 

[Pilot]

That can't be possible, some other forum members say they are 100% reliable!

Well I know you're trying to be funny, but in general they are 100% reliable or they wouldn't be so popular. Every mechanical device can fail or not operate properly. It sounds like an extractor or extractor spring issue. CZ-USA will make it right.

 

[armoredman]

Samlaut, my PO1 has been 100%. That doesn't mean every single one of them is 100%. Glock, Colt, HK, Berreta, SiG, I have seen every one of them fail right in front of me, Luger, Kimber, Steyr, Witness, all of them. Working on a range will let you do that. My CZs have been 100% reliable, an with good maintenance I believe they will stay that way.

 

[MR73]

OK guys, I'll:

a) try other ammo
b) fire many more rounds (could it be about breaking it in?)
c) consider another spring

Will keep you posted.
Thanks

 

[SamlautRanger]

Yeah, I was trying to be a wise ass!

But good points by other post. Nothing Mechanical will be 100% all the time. Goes against the second law of therodynamics.

Get tired of reading threads that say nothing can ever go wrong with a certain type of gun. Guns are complex mechanical devices that have small violent explosions going off in them multiple times.

Also get tired of reading thread about how a certain type of gun is crap, when many times it is not the guns or parts- but operator error (not cleaned properly, after market mags, handloads, etc..)

Anyway back to the subject. I know I read a review by George Hill (www.madogre.com) where he reccommends replacing the plastic guide rod with an aftermarket steel guide rod. Seems a good thing to do.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

I know George recommends that, but I've yet to see any evidence that changing out the factory plastic guide rod has ANY effect on performance. And, to further complicate matters, CZ-USA says it could void the warranty on the new P-01, CZ-40P, and other "compact" guns that don't have that as a factory option.

(This is a continuing point of contention on the CZ Forum, where we have several folks who really like steel guide rods, and at least one member who makes them for sale.)

The metal ones certainly look better than the plastic ones, but I remain skeptical. I seriously doubt that they'll do any harm, so don't really understand CZ-USA's concern about warranties. But I also doubt that they'll do any good.

I've got several CZ and CZ-based (clone) guns with both full length and standard, metal and plastic guide rods, and when I've swapped them around (when they could be swapped). Having done that, I simply couldn't see or feel a meaingful difference in function or anything else. Perhaps I'm just an insensitive guy.

That said, however, I'm pretty sure a metal guide rod won't do a thing to address the extraction problem mentioned here.

 

[RON in PA]

Let the flaming begin, but in my limited experience with 2 CZs, they were less than reliable. The only semi-autos that are 100% reliable in my experience are FN/Browning HPs, Ruger P95s, Smith 5906s and Glock 17s.

 

[HighVelocity]

Regardless of a manufacturers track record, nobody can make 100% perfect firearms. If it truly is brand new then I wouldn't get excited about malfunctions until you have several hundred rounds though it.
Maybe it's just teething.

 

[armoredman]

Out of all the autos on our rental range, the only ones that didn't break down were the CZ83 and the Rugers - we didn't have any CZ75 rentals. The Glocks, HKs, SiGs, Taurus, Springfield, Colt, Smith etc all failed for one reaosn or another eventually. Steel and wood will break over time....especially if fired 200-1000 rounds a week!

 

[mainmech48]

The only problems I've had with either my CZ 97B or EAA Witness have been ammo related.

When I got my 97B, it would run 100% with any ball ammo and most HPs, but wouldn't with SWCs, blunt-nosed HPs or TCs. Minor feed ramp work cured that, and it's eaten 6.5K + rounds of 200 gr. reloads and assorted factory stuff since without a single malf. It'll get sluggish after 400 rds or so of something particularly 'dirty', like Wolf ball, but a drop or two of lube will keep it going if necessary. Usually, I clean it long before that can start.

My cheap EAA Witness CZ 75 clone has gone through nearly 9K without a single part failure. I've replaced the recoil spring once, when it showed a two-coil difference in length when compared to a new one. It has never had an FTF or FTE with any good-quality ammo, and once went 1,100 rds without cleaning or a single malf in an intensive weekend training class.

The single problem came with a case of "American Ammo" I foolishly bought because it was too cheap to pass-up. It wouldn't run 100% in anything, FWIW.

Not every example of any machine will be trouble-free. If your P-01 is having problems that a simple ammo swap doesn't cure, I'd send it back to CZ-USA. They'll make it right. FWIW, the basic design has been proven under the single most rigorous and comprehensive set of test criteria any service handgun has undergone, and surpassed every specification.