artherd
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...Is it safe? Is it wise for carry ammo?
+P+ 9mm in Glock 17
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JeffC
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yes...
Lone_Gunman
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YES.
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Hello. They'll handle them fine.
Best.
Best.
FireInTheHole
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People shoot L7A1 subgun ammo in g17s! +p+ is cake for glock 9mms.
HIPOWER
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Hello. I have a G17 and shoot it often, and as others have said it will handle +P and +P+ just fine. The NATO spec hardball has some nice kick and bang to it!
That said, I rarely ever shoot anything but standard pressure ammo and I usually carry standard pressure HP's for CCW. I just don't think a little extra velocity will make a whole lot of difference as long as you hit your target, at least not enought difference to justify the extra stress on the gun. To my mind, accurate follow-up shots are more important....but no matter what you shoot the G17 will gobble it up and ask for more.
Good luck, and good shooting.
That said, I rarely ever shoot anything but standard pressure ammo and I usually carry standard pressure HP's for CCW. I just don't think a little extra velocity will make a whole lot of difference as long as you hit your target, at least not enought difference to justify the extra stress on the gun. To my mind, accurate follow-up shots are more important....but no matter what you shoot the G17 will gobble it up and ask for more.
Good luck, and good shooting.
denfoote
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Yup!!
You can shoot them!!
You can shoot them!!
Lot of pat answers for very little information provided on the original posters part... He could be talking about anything from Federal +P+ 115 grain ammo to Bulgarian rejects, to something in zip lock bags labled +P+ loaded up by "Uncle Bubba's Ammunition and Gator Farm".
I think most folks are thinking about Ranger Talon or other American made +P+ ammo, which I agree should be fine. There is some foreign stuff floating around designed for sub-guns in cold weather that the ATF has warned not to shoot in ANY handgun. I'm assuming "any" would include a Glock...
If were talking Ranger or something like that most would say yes, if were talking some bizarre euro FMJ designed for Sten guns in low tempetures I'd go out on limb and say no. First it's likely not the best bullet design for that purpose and second it's possible that it has very hard primers to withstand the pressure and the glock does not exactly have the hardest firing pin strike going.
What exact round are we talking about???
I think most folks are thinking about Ranger Talon or other American made +P+ ammo, which I agree should be fine. There is some foreign stuff floating around designed for sub-guns in cold weather that the ATF has warned not to shoot in ANY handgun. I'm assuming "any" would include a Glock...
If were talking Ranger or something like that most would say yes, if were talking some bizarre euro FMJ designed for Sten guns in low tempetures I'd go out on limb and say no. First it's likely not the best bullet design for that purpose and second it's possible that it has very hard primers to withstand the pressure and the glock does not exactly have the hardest firing pin strike going.
What exact round are we talking about???
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artherd
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Thanks Blueduck (and others.)
I am speaking specifically of +p+ handgun defense ammo, such as:
Federal Hydra-shock 124grain, part # P9HS3G.
Federal Hydra-shock 115grain, part # 9PBLE.
I would not risk my safety by using sketchy 'mystery' hot ammo. (Surplus is fine for plinking, but I am not going to rely on it when my life is on the line.)
I would also like to find the Winchester Ranger ammo, any good places online to buy for non-LE?
I am speaking specifically of +p+ handgun defense ammo, such as:
Federal Hydra-shock 124grain, part # P9HS3G.
Federal Hydra-shock 115grain, part # 9PBLE.
I would not risk my safety by using sketchy 'mystery' hot ammo. (Surplus is fine for plinking, but I am not going to rely on it when my life is on the line.)
I would also like to find the Winchester Ranger ammo, any good places online to buy for non-LE?
Thread lisitng severl sources of ranger ammo: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57398
Federal ammo much more trustworthy than "Uncle Bubba's" IMHO
Federal ammo much more trustworthy than "Uncle Bubba's" IMHO
Sven
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Great thread. Thanks for the info. My Glock 17 is calling... "feed me.... feed me..."
Schuey2002
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IIRC, that "mystery" ammo is Hirtenberger..
JeepDriver
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Mine love the Ranger 127+P+.
Both shoot it better then they do the 124+p Gold Dot's I use in my Sig's and Beretta
Both shoot it better then they do the 124+p Gold Dot's I use in my Sig's and Beretta
Lennyjoe
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I have shot quite a few rounds of +P+ rounds out of my G19.
Have carried the Federal +P+ stuff for a while but have since gone to the Black Hills 124 gr +P with a Speer Gold Dot JHP bullet.
Seems to perform better.
Have carried the Federal +P+ stuff for a while but have since gone to the Black Hills 124 gr +P with a Speer Gold Dot JHP bullet.
Seems to perform better.
Glock Armorer's manual states that the G19 and G17 are rated for ammo up to 43,500psi.
That's FAR in excess of any pressure numbers I've seen for commercial +P+ intended for pistol ammo.
On another forum, there's a Norwegian (the Norwegian military uses the Glock 17) who claims that the L7A1 (That's the Hirtenberger subgun ammo in the BATF warning) is commonly used in the G17 pistols. He stated that it seems to reduce the pistol service life to around 50,000 rounds but that there have been no catastrophic failures.
For the record I'm not advocating the use of the L7A1 ammo in any pistol--just passing on an anecdote.
That's FAR in excess of any pressure numbers I've seen for commercial +P+ intended for pistol ammo.
On another forum, there's a Norwegian (the Norwegian military uses the Glock 17) who claims that the L7A1 (That's the Hirtenberger subgun ammo in the BATF warning) is commonly used in the G17 pistols. He stated that it seems to reduce the pistol service life to around 50,000 rounds but that there have been no catastrophic failures.
For the record I'm not advocating the use of the L7A1 ammo in any pistol--just passing on an anecdote.
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