P226 and CZ75 SA

[Mr Kablammo]

This weekend myself, sister, and friend went to the range. We shot a P226 and CZ75 SA. I like the controls on the Sig, but all of us preferred the CZ. Even with the Sig in SA mode, we could group the CZ better than the Sig. I want to like the Sig but it just seems over-sized for the caliber.

Also, the recoil forces of the Sig seemed to throw the shots to the left, being a lighter gun. Perhaps Czech engineers (or JMB) took account of something the Germans did not when engineering that aspect of the firearm. I could get tighter groups by being more forceful about keeping the gun straight and forward. I would describe it as feeling like I was 'willing' the bullet into the target.

So, I was thinking of getting a P220-but if the .45 is a bigger caliber then will the firearm be even more subject to a kind of 'forced-will' style of shooting? I can do it, but it doesn't have that fun 'Zen in the Art of Archery' kind of feel to creating tight groups.

Even though my 1911 is .45 it doesn't feel like work to shoot it... So, should I spring for a P220, or is the unfun feeling going to be magnified in proportion to the increase in caliber?

 

[4v50 Gary]

I have both a Sig P220 and a CZ-75.

Of the two, I carry the P220.

Of the two the CZ fits my small hands better.

If I had to choose one for comfort, ease of controls & handling, I'd go CZ. If you're more accurate with the CZ, perhaps that is the better of the two for you.

 

[Craig M. Arnold]

CZ Pistols

If you like the CZ75 and want a 45acp, you should look at the CZ97. It does have a rather large grip, however it is a super gun. It is the most accurate 45acp pistol that I have ever owned and I have had a lot of 45s. This includes some 1911 Colts, Springfields and Kimbers.

 

[BamBam-31]

Sig 220 ST. Try it.

 

[Black Majik]

Its normal to feel that the P226 is fat in the grips, its a double stack. Since you are interested in the P220, its a great gun. I actually just wrote about a P220 in a previous thread...

As for handling, the P220 has thinner grips than the P226 due to it being a single stack. To me, it is more comfortable to hold because I like thinner grips also.

www.sigforum.com

Enjoy..

 

[Ala Dan]

SIG-SAUER P220 vs. P226 (comments)

First the SIG P220 incorporates the use of the
"American" grip angle; as opposed to the P226's
"European" grip angle. For me, the P220 fits like
an extension of my shooting hand; or as some
say, "like a glove". OTOH, the P226 feels real
awkward and I can't seem to get it on target
nearly as fast as I can the P220.

While I'm a .45 caliber fan, it makes no difference
when handling the P220. Even though she is a
"single-stack", I would take her over the P226
any time. In all fairness, I've never shot a CZ
75 or 75B model; so I can't compare them to
either SIG?

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

 

[PCRCCW]

"Its normal to feel that the P226 is fat in the grips, its a double stack. Since you are interested in the P220, its a great gun. I actually just wrote about a P220 in a previous thread..."

Black.............So is the CZ........

What I think the poster is going through is common among people who shoot both of these guns and are new to them. The CZ is better ergonomically for MOST people......not all, but most. Thus the easier time gripping/shooting more accurately sooner.

The higher bore axis of the Sig makes for more recoil than the CZ..along with the lighter weight.

Ive nothing against Sigs........the 220 ST I had was an incredible gun.

If you spend any trigger time with either one of these....youll walk away impressed..........seriously.

Quote "I could get tighter groups by being more forceful about keeping the gun straight and forward. I would describe it as feeling like I was 'willing' the bullet into the target."



Shoot well.......

 

[CZF]

The 75SA was made to deliver Match Grade accuracy at an economy price.
P226s have combat accuracy that is better than most.

The SA's trigger might be the factor in your shooting.

Having owned a P220 and a 75SA (40) and now a 97B.

I'd say you have a tough choice to make.

 

[rauchman]

Greetings,

I have a 226 9mm and a CZ 75 SA in .40. Let me preface this by saying that I will have the CZ75Sa in 9mm soon. As someone else mentioned the SA's trigger, while gritty, is really light....more of a target gun. I don't believe this would the ideal trigger weight for a combat arm. And yes, because of that trigger, I can make myself look like an ace shooter with that gun. I brought out the 226 last night and must say though, that once you get used to it, the 226 is a very accurate pistol. For myself, my next pistol purchases will include the CZ75SA 9mm and a 220.

 

[raz-0]

The higher bore axis of the Sig makes for more recoil than the CZ..along with the lighter weight.

I think this plus how the weight of the gun is distributed makes the difference. I've shot sigs and I've shot CZs and their clones. The sigs are solid, but the CZs and clones ergonomics are just a natural for.... uhm what's an accurate way to say this... getting better use of the accuracy the gun is capable of early on and with less practice.

Or the way I usually phrase it. Gun X is more work than gun Y. I can be just as accurate with a USP 9mm as a sig in 9mm. The sig is less work. The CZ is less work than the sig though.

 

[McNutt]

I've shot a Sig and loved it, but since I didn't have the money for one I placed an order for a CZ-75, even though I've never fired one. The gun won't be here until May, but you guys are really making me feel good about my decision.

 

[Steve F]

Iv'e got the CZSA (9mm)and couldn't be happier The trigger on mine is awsome,but I did replace it with a stainless steel one that I made,just like the originaland Houge grips

 

[Greg Bell]

Call me crazy, but I think that Ala Dan may be slightly, just a little, teeny weeny bit biased towards the 220?

Maybe it is just me?


Hard to fault a man for that. The first and best modern Sig!

 

[Mr Kablammo]

Thanks for the replies. No-one talked me into or out of buying the P220. Actually, it was on my list before the P226, but CDNN had the P226 for sale in the catalog before the P220! So I snapped one up before they sold out. In the next issue was the P220. Doh!

So, I guess its still undecided to sell the P226 to finance a P220. Probably 'gun mania' will hit soon enough and I'll spring for the .45 whether I want it or not...a police friend may be the fall-back buyer if I don't like it. He is big on .45s.

 

[cratz2]

While the 220 ST is not a small gun by any means, it's the SIG that I like the feel of the best. And the 228.

I consider myself much more of a CZ guy than a SIG guy but there's an awful lot more to a defensive carry piece than accurace in SA mode. That would come after reliability, concealability, speed to target, carry comfort... etc... An overwhelming majority of incidents are well withing 7 yards, a large percentage within 7 feet. Though I've dealt with 1911s my whole life and BHPs and CZs for many years as well, at those sorts of distances, I'd personally rather not have to worry about a thumb safety.

Either way, two very compotent guns from which to choose... I'd feel safe with either.