P229 vs SP2022

Status
Not open for further replies.

socalbeachbum

Member
Joined
Jan 9, 2013
Messages
526
Location
Laguna California
besides the obvious difference P229 vs SP2022 in frame material, is there much else functionally different, anything significant?

I have never handled either, but did fire a P226 that I enjoyed. The cost benefit and lighter weight of the SP2022 seems to make it worth looking into.
 
I've always considered the SP2022 to be one of SIGs best offerings, often over looked simply because it isn't a 226 and isn't super expensive so there must be something wrong with it. The only thing I didn't like about mine was the LCI, which sat in my sight picture and annoyed me. It didn't block the sight picture, but it was just kind of annoying and distracting.
 
uughh! that's exactly what I was hoping to avoid, I find that very distracting.

But, maybe if tall tactical/suppressor sights are available it would resolve this
 
I can speak for the P229 it is a very nice reliable firearm I carried the
P229 R DAK .40 for many years it's a fantastic tool.
 
The p229 I had many moons ago was a very nice shooting handgun. Mine was in 40s&w and .357 sig and felt like a 9mm when I fired it. The p229 is my favorite p22x series pistol. I've almost bought a 2022 literally a dozen times and always walked away with something else. The 2022 doesn't balance in my hand as well as the 229 and I think that's why I've passed on it so many times. Other than that I believe that the 2022 is one of the best values you can get in handguns. I've seen these for around $350-$400 quite a bit in the past and that is a steal for what your getting in that gun. The 2022 was dubbed the "poor mans sig" but I don't believe in that at all. It's just a sig to me, nothing poor about it.
 
If you want low weight, or low price, the 2022 is a great option. I handled one and was very impressed. If you don't mind a little more weight, and budget is not such a concern, I'd choose the 229.

It's just a matter of what you want really, as both would serve you well IMO.
 
The trigger pull on the DAK is sweet !!!
on the long pull "full triger release" 6.5 lbs
on the intermediate pull "short trigger release" 8.0 lbs
it is something you need to practice with to get used too but I really liked
that set up :D
 
I had a SP2022 with night sight and traded it and some cash for a P226. IMO, the P226(the P229's big brother) does nothing that the SP2022 cannot, except cost a LOT more.

If we get right down to it, the P226/P229 cannot do anything better than a pistol costing hundreds less except be more expensive.
 
While about the same size, the P229 and SP2022 don't use the same mags. The front strap on the SP2022 is shorter, and you may find you pinch your fingers during mag changes.

The take down procedure is different between the two. Neither are difficult, but they are different and you may prefer one over the other.
 
but they are two different firearms , isn't the sp2022 just another plastic gun
like glock,s&w m&p , the xd stuff ?
nothing wrong with the plastic gun I do own and shoot glock's ,
wouldn't this be Sig's way to compete with that market ?
There is no way to compare a 1911 to a glock in .45 acp both go bang but
two different guns wouldn't that be the same in comparing the p229/p226 to
the sp2022 ?
 
but they are two different firearms , isn't the sp2022 just another plastic gun
like glock,s&w m&p , the xd stuff ?

Well, yes and no.
Yes is is a polymer framed pistol, but is not striker fired like most.
It has a very similar DA/SA trigger to the more expensive Sigs.

So frame wise, yes it is similar to Glocks, XDs and the like.
But man the trigger is so so so much sweeter than those.

I own a 2022 and have fired some of Sigs steel framed guns. I love them both.
I am of the opinion that for the money you can't beat a 2022.
 
The P2022 is a great budget suppressor host. I've seen a couple with threaded barrels for under $600. If--like me--you're not fond of striker-fired pistols, they're the only game in town in that price range.
 
You'll also probably find more holsters for the P229 than the SP2022. However, all you have to do is find the one holster you like for the SP2022.
 
The P2022 is a great budget suppressor host. I've seen a couple with threaded barrels for under $600. If--like me--you're not fond of striker-fired pistols, they're the only game in town in that price range.
Cz p07, beretta px4 compact, and fn fnx 9 can all be had in that price range as well.
 
I happen to have a SP2022 and a P229 sitting n front of me right now. I have a P228 in the safe as well.

Both are fine weapons. Both do the Concealed Carry role pretty well. I tend to carry mid sized 9mm's, so both are right up my ally as far as what I like. So with that out of the way:

2022:
It's cheaper and lighter. It's also just a little bigger, both feeling in the hand, and in actual measurements. It has a VERY good DA/SA trigger out of the box, and is an easy gun to shoot well. I just relooked at mine, and while I can see the LCI at the bottom of the rear sight, I have to look for it, I've never noticed it while shooting. The 2022's LCI is much smaller and unobtrusive than that abortion Sig put on for the 226's for CA. I haven't had a problem getting holsters for the 2022 (I have a Leather IWB, and a Kydex OWB) but I did have to order them. You're unlikely to walk into a store and find them on the rack. Mag catch is reversible if you're sinister handed (I am). As was mentioned upthread, the pinky extension on the mag comes up into the front strap quite a bit so you can pinch yourself pretty badly doing vigorous reloads.

P229:
I have a 229 Legion and a 228, so given that you didn't ask about the super expensive one I'm going to kind of merge the two guns for this comparison.
The 229 balances better with a full mag, and is heaver so it seems to handle recoil better. This gives me measurably faster splits and target transitions. I have Houge G10's on my P's and they fill your hand "just right" Pretty much everyone that picks one up likes the feel. (My 2022 has crimson trace's for comparison) The P series has much more aftermarket support. Stock, I honestly think the 2022's trigger is just -><- that much better, but if you get a model with, or add an, SRT kit to the 229 it takes the lead. Holsters are more common.

Honestly it's a hard choice, and it kind of depends on personal factors. I already owned a 2022 when I bought my Legion. I think the 229 legion is a better combat handgun than my 2022. I have targets and a shot timer to prove it. But it better be; it was almost 3 times more expensive. (I bought my 2022 used for $399) That said, I slide my 2022 into a holster and leave the house and don't feel under gunned at all. It's a fine combat handgun that I have, over thousands of rounds, learned to use quite well. What are the odds on any given day I'll need that extra 2/10's of a second?

Both handguns are so reliable as to make no practical difference. I haven't had a malf (yet) with the Legion, but it's obviously kinda new. The 2022 had a couple weak ammo malfs back in the day, but it's 3 or 4 over the course of probably 7000 rounds and 7 or 8 years. Statistically a non issue.

It also depends which model of 229 you're going for. If you're looking at a base, stock, Nitorn 229R vs. a 2022, I think it comes down on the side of the 2022 just for value's sake. If you look at them more feature rich 229's (Legion, M11-A1, SAS, Scorpion and whatnot) then I think they start to offer enough over the 2022 to make the price differential more reasonable. Some of it will depend on how much disposable income you have. Either way, I doubt you will be disappointed in either gun.

20160515_090127_zpsew7hjg9v.jpg
 
socalbeachbum

Have had a P220 (a.k.a. Browning BDA), P226, P228, and currently a P229R E2 with the short reset trigger. Love them all, especially in regards to their grip design and overall ergonomics. Tried the P2022 but didn't care for the grip design or how it felt in my hand. Also didn't handle or balance as well for me as my P229 does.

013_zpssrsvaxax.jpg
 
JO JO is DAK a nice way to go? is it really 6.5 lbs., and to me, more importantly, is it a very consistent pull?

It is by design and inconsistent pull. The DAK (Double Action Kellerman) system has an intermediate reset which provides the ability of the user of being able to fire the pistol in the event the user short strokes the trigger during a critical incident. The trigger pull for the system is 6.5 lbs. in full DAO (Double Action Only) and increases to 8 lbs. if the trigger is pulled from the intermediate short reset position.

There are by design two trigger pulls with different reset points and different trigger weights. I have always found it to be a love hate sort of thing.

As for the P229 vs the SP2022 there are a lot of differences in terms of weight, size and feel of the gun in the hand. They both say Sig on the slide and frame but they are very different animals.

The SP2022 has a very different trigger than the standard P series or SRT found on current production Sigs. It has a longer DA pull and a longer reset to SA. The DA pull is extremely smooth. The SP2009 which proceeded it did as well. The SP2022 is a upgraded SP2009 made for the French Police contract that was signed in 2002 and the guns will be in service for 20 years= SP2022.

I find that revolver shooters like the SP2022. If you like it and shoot it well the SP2022 is a better value. They will run you half of what a stock P229 will cost you most of the time. The exception seems to be 40 S&W guns these days. I have seen a lot of P229s in different configs for around $600-$650 these days.

You can still find contract overruns and commercial versions for around $400 often with night sights. If you don't mine used look for the earlier version with the internal extractor and Iifalon finish. These are German guns. Some will have German proof marks others will lack the proof marks but will still have triple serial numbers. These were the first SP2022s to hit the US.

IMHO they are very different guns. I personally never fell in love with the P229 I always preferred the P228 in 9mm. Just a preference not really saying one is better than the other. For me the P228 was one of my first guns and it just balances better for me. YMMV
 
The trigger pull on the DAK is sweet !!!
on the long pull "full triger release" 6.5 lbs
on the intermediate pull "short trigger release" 8.0 lbs
it is something you need to practice with to get used too but I really liked
that set up :D


I agree. I have SIGs in both traditional DA and the DAK trigger set up and the DAK trigger is my preference over the DA/SA. If you have ever shot a finely tuned action on a revolver you will appreciate the DAK trigger. It reminds me of a S&W revolver with a nice action job.



I am of the opinion that for the money you can't beat a 2022.

I also agree with this statement. I own about 9 SIG pistols in all of their action types (SAO, DAK, DAO, DA/SA, etc) and each has their place in my collection. As of yet I do not own a 2022 but I have shot a friend's more than a few times and this model below will probably be my next SIG:

221692e7171fbe9af2b6404b22c06049.jpg
 
Last edited:
jjones45 said:
Cz p07, beretta px4 compact, and fn fnx 9 can all be had in that price range as well.

With a threaded barrel?

The P2022 is under $600 with a threaded barrel.
 
Last edited:
The 229 is on my bucket list. That said the 2022 at ~$500 is a pretty nice value. I really like mine and since there are various versions, hard to say what I'd wind up with in CA. When it came in it didn't have LCI on the top. That pleased me but I figured it was par as the other Sigs have them.

Trigger is smooth and the reset a tad long but very audible/positive. Feels very comfortable in hand. For my smallish hands, the decok and slide release are easily operated. This is an enjoyable shooter for me.

Re-assmebly I was thrown off because most are insert the slide stop and push it through the notches. The 2022, one has to insert the pin part way once on the rails to engage then pull the slide back to the notches to push it the remaining way in. The guy at the gun shop relayed he has buyers come back than don't understand how to reassemble it. They don't read the owner's manual. :rolleyes:
 
I have both the SP2022 and the P229.

They both shoot well, but there are differences:
-The SP2022 is cheaper, but you can buy a used P229 cheaper than a new SP2022
-They don't share any parts or magazines
-Price of magazines are higher for the SP2022
-Disassembling them are very different with the SP2022 a tad more difficult disassembling and reassembling.
-The P229 is easier to change the trigger to your liking. The SP2022 has a firing control unit which doesn't allow for any easy modifications. Even changing out the mainspring is not easy.
-Some of the SP2022's are sold with a loaded chamber indicator, so watch out for those if you don't want one.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top