P99 vs P2000 for CCW.

[patriot1776]

I've been looking for a lightweight mid-sized DA/SA style pistol to CCW. I've narrowed down my choices to either the Walther P99 or the HK P2000. I was wondering if anyone has any experience CCWing these particular pistols and what you would perceive the positives/negatives to be. Any help would be appreciated!

 

[steveracer]

P99, but get the S&W version for $200 less.

 

[Searcher1970]

I just picked up a SW99 in 40 S&W today for $320 OTD. Nice slim hi cap pistol.

 

[steveracer]

Exactly.
Bought the 9mm one for my wife. I haven't seen it since, but she swears it's awesome.

 

[whoiswes]

I just picked up a SW99 in 40 S&W today for $320 OTD. Nice slim hi cap pistol.

May I ask where?

 

[searcher451]

Can't and won't knock the HK, but the Walther P99 is a superb handgun and would be an easy choice for me (I own two of them). By the by, SOG is offering the P99 in 9mm with two 16-round magazines for $399 and change.

 

[357SIG]

The P99 conceals very well for me because of the shape of the back of the grip. Since the grip is cut thinner toward the magazine well (on the rear), it does not catch your shirt or show a bulge. I've carried it in a tucked shirt using a Galco holster with a very well-hidden belt hook and never had it print to where it was even noticed.

 

[psyopspec]

I own and carry the P2000, and have nothing but great things to say about it. I do like the short trigger reset of a P99 in SA though.

I think both are great handguns, and either will serve you well.

 

[PX15]

JMOfartO:

I had the P99/AS and the compact P99c/AS.. I found them to both be fantastic pistols.

IF there is a downside to the Walther P99 model it is that it is imported by Smith & Wesson, and the warranty is one year.. One year of warranty and S&W has that responsibility..

I have a friend who wanted a P99/AS after shooting mine, but could not find one, so bought a SW99 instead. The SW99 is basically the same pistol as the P99 with the exceptions the slide and barrel are made in the USA, while the rest of the pistol is all German, Walther made..

We shot our two pistols together and his SW99 was every bit as accurate and reliable as my P99 but didn't have the Walther banner on the slide..

The SW99 has a LIFETIME warranty, backed by S&W and my experience with S&W Customer Service/Warranty Repair has been excellent. I DID get the distinct impression that fixing broken Walthers was not of their highest priority.. (I sent back a defective PPS to them a couple of times).

IF I were in the market for the P99 and could find an SW99 cheaper, knowing it had a lifetime warranty, I'd be buying the SW99.

But if you are determined you need the Walther, buy it.. It's an awesome platform in 9MM and "AS" trigger/striker mode.

As to the qualities of the HK P2000?

Well, can't help you there, but I do have a 9mm P2000sk (V3) which is my cc choice in that caliber. I chose the smaller SK version because cc is my primary use for it, and the only bonus the larger P2000 had (for me) was the slightly larger capacity 13rd mag. (sk has 10). Xgrip makes a fine adapter for the P2000 mag, and using it on the P2000 mag in the smaller SK gives me the higher capacity in a smaller package.. Another advantage of using the longer mag is that folks with larger hands probably won't be happy with the ten round fingertip mag that comes with the SK.

In my experience comparing the P99c/AS vs the P2000sk (V3) I would say either makes a fine choice. Both pistols were amazingly accurate, absolutely reliable, and IMO a person would be well armed with either..

I do like the external hammer on the HK, and the lifetime warranty, but both pistols are excellent choices in my opinion.

Of course if you could find an SW99, or SW99 compact, (they seem to be sorta hard to find) I think it would compare well to either the Walther or the HK..

Just personal opinion, no offense intended to those with differing opinions.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[9mmepiphany]

SOG is offering the P99 in 9mm with two 16-round magazines for $399 and change.

that's a flaming deal

i like the P99 more than the P200 mostly for the trigger. the P99 i owned was a German one and i think it was a bit larger than the P2000 i compared it to during a class.

another difference you might consider is that the P2000's de-cocking button is more strong hand friendly, being on the rear of the slide, while the one for the P99 is atop the slide and easier to access with the support hand.

i prefer the shape of the Walther P99 Slide to the one used by S&W on SW99

 

[DWhitehorne]

I guess I will go against the grain and say look at the P2000. I have a P2000 issued from work and have carried on and off duty everyday since 2005. The P2000 is not my favorite pistol by any means. I will say I just got rid of my last P99. I had a P99 AS in 9mm a few years ago and just had a P99 40 QA. For carry purposes they are very close in size. Holding them up side by side the rear of the slide on the P99 was only slightly longer.

I did not care for the P99 because: I think a $600+ gun should not have a snap in plastic front sight, the P99 grip is very slippery to me and with a slip on grip makes your shirt stick to it. Also the slip on grip defeats the benifits of the interchangable back straps. The QA and AS triggers are worlds apart. The AS is weird but in single action is probably the best trigger in a plastic gun I've ever fired. The QA trigger is not for me. Some said it is glock like, I would say not even close and I even put in a Glock striker spring which helped a little.

The main reason I got rid of the P99's was the felt recoil. I feel Walther has the most recoil of any polymer pistol I've fired, and I've owned most brands. I think the 11-12 pound recoil spring to to light and there is no aftermarket springs to be found. Trying to double tap the QA 40 P99 at 7 yards is a challenge on the second shoot. Compared to the P2000, it is night and day with felt recoil. I would say the P2000 40 is 9mm like and the 9mm P2000 is almost like shooting my Colt woodsman.

If possible I would try and shoot both at the range. I just sold a desert tan P99 which in my opinion was the best looking polymer gun I've owned. I tried to love it but compared to my M&P's and CZ I just had to let P99's go. Most people online speak highly of P99's but try the shoot the P99 first and see. Good luck with your choice. David

 

[searcher451]

"If possible I would try and shoot both at the range."

DW provides sage advice here: It's always a good idea to run a test of two at the range to determine which gun best fits your hand and eye. The answer might surprise you; it might be another gun entirely, in fact. Just because the P99 works well for me doesn't mean to that it will work well for DWhitehorne, or for you, or for anyone else, for that matter. Taking the guns you are interested on a test-drive is a smart move.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Personally, I went with the P99 because it looks MUCH better than the SW99, at least to me. YMMV

 

[malefactor]

I don't mean this to be disrespectful, but is SOG a reputable group?

 

[Autolycus]

I loved my P2000 when I had one. However I do like the P99 for its ergonomics.

Anyone got a link to this SOG place?

 

[malefactor]

https://www.southernohiogun.com/index.php/

I have my "dealer" on getting mine right now.

 

[NMGonzo]

The first day at the range with my p200sk was somewhat a dissapointment ... till I realized that I had to put my pinky finger UNDER the mag.

Then it shoot OK.

Very next day I went to the BLM with someone that knows how to shoot, and I hit my 8 inch gong at 100 yards.

I am sold now.

The fit is better than the glocks, a little fat on the grip but short.

I have big hands and gripping it properly was tricky at first.

I traded my beloved yet inpractical Glock 35 straight across.

I am sold on H&K's now.

 

[steveracer]

Sog is ok. If I were going to buy today, I'd get a SW99 from Rebertson's. They have several, and are great prices.

 

[mnhntr]

P2000 is by far a better quality pistol IMO.

 

[fastbolt]

It would seem prudent to try and find a range where you could test-fire examples of whatever it is that interests you.

The 'feel' of any handgun is going to be a very subjective issue.

I own a couple of SW99's, a standard .40 and a compact 9mm. I carried a similar standard .40 as an issued gun for several years. I've been through the SW99/P99 armorer class a few times.

I feel the 99 series is a great design which never really received the attention and respect it deserves. Walther did a good job with it, and S&W did a good job in regard to their licensed versions.

Like the Glock, I personally like the 99 series best when chambered in 9mm, but that's just a personal preference.

My SW99 9c (traditional double action, or DA/SA, compact model) is one of my favorite regular range training 9mm guns. I actually enjoy shooting it more than my 3913. It's demonstrated an inherent practical accuracy which at least equals my 3913, and sometimes seems to surpass it. Better balance and ergonomics than my G26, and it doesn't exhibit the same sensitivity to grip technique when it comes to ejection patterns as my G26, especially on the last round. I like how the striker assembly and extractor can be removed independent of each other. I also like how the striker assembly incorporates a striker return spring to help prevent unnecessary contact between the striker and the safety block.

Nice gun.

Although I happen to think the M&P offers some even better features and design improvements (and the M&P parts don't have to come from Germany ), I'd probably pick up another SW99 9c or a P99 9c AS if the price were really right.

I certainly don't have any plans to ever get rid of mine.

The HK P2000 also seems to be a good quality pistol.

I've never had much interest in HK's (other than a P9S .45 I carried for a while), but that's just because I've never been through the HK armorer class, I don't care for the cost and ergonomics of the most HK pistols and I think they have enough parts to almost qualify as a cuckoo clock. (Relax, just kidding.)

When I was shooting a P2000 I felt the trigger was the typically stiff and spongy HK trigger similar to other HK's I've used, but training and practice can easily help resolve trigger feel/perception considerations. I can shoot them well even though they wouldn't be my first choice when it comes to ergonomic considerations and trigger feel when I'm spending my own money. That's the nice thing about having a choice in deciding what you like and what you want to invest in when it involves your own money.

 

[nalioth]

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They're both excellent pistols.

 

[cooks 7]

I owned a couple of P99s a while back, during the defective magazine floor plate fiasco, was sent a bunch of new floor plates. I liked the p99s a lot, then I got a P22 which was a piece of junk that i had to constantly tinker with. I know you can't judge an entire company by one product but I kind of lost faith in Walther with that gun. I ended up trading my two P99s and my P22 for my first Kimber.
That being said, go with what you like and can afford, HKs usually have a great following and are supposed to be quality guns, I've always wanted a usp 45 match but can't find one, nor afford one for that matter.

 

[malefactor]

I carry an HK but want to add a 9mm to the safe and I have always liked the feel of the P99. Will it be better than my HK, I don't expect it to be. Will I carry it? Not unless I shoot it a lot better than the HK.