Pack of pit bulls kill woman

[CZ-100]

Owners should be held liable

A few years ago, I had three pit bulls chase my kids into our house, all three jumped my 4ft chain link fence and came thru my screen porch and were knocking at the back door (jumping up against it trying to get in.) After calling 911, I went out and shot one of them with my 10mm, 2 shots and there he laid for the rest of his life, the other two ran off.

Now for months I was calling the cops about my neighbor and these dogs, he was teaching them to fight in his yard. Finally after this all the dogs were gone and the neighbor was gone soon after.

Also nothing was ever said about me shooting this dog.

 

[TheOtherOne]

To me, the ultimate dog is a German Shepherd.

I think it was back in the 80's that there was a big uproar over banning German Shephards after a few incidents. They are still on some insurance companies "bad breeds" list. There's a reason german shephards made good gestapo dogs.

I believe that almost every breed of dog has the potential to become a deadly weapon. If dog owners really want to do society a favor and protect the children, get a goldfish. If it only saves one life, it's worth it.

 

[USGuns]

Time to outlaw all dogs?

Using anti-RKBA logic, isn't it now time to outlaw all dogs?!?!

 

[Edward429451]

Wow. Thats terrible. Call me paranoid but something deep inside of me is saying that we will probably be hearing more and more of this type of thing in the future. ??

Anybody still have confidence in their pepper spray? Mouse guns? Makes a good case for condition 1 carry, and multiple extra mags too.

Bummer.

I have no use for Pit Bulls any more than cobras. To me, the ultimate dog is a German Shepherd.

Me too. BG's see "police dog" and GG's see "family dog."

 

[StuporDave]

IMHO, it's more the individual dog than the breed. Pit Bulls get a (not always undeserved) bad rap because many idiots train them to be vicious. On top of that, they are very strong dogs as a breed. So when they do go bonkers on a human or another dog they can do a lot of damage quickly.

Here's my personal experience with a pit bull. When my son was four or five years old a good freind of mine had a pit as a family pet. The dog was raised as a family pet since birth. As much as I was around this dog, I never even heard her growl. She used to chase my son around the yard, tackle him, and try to lick his face off!

That said, I think the owners of the dogs in this case are definately responsible and should be prosecuted.

Dave

 

[Cosmoline]

Bad breeding is a major issue here, as well. Not just for Pit Bulls but for all working breeds. The AKC, coupled with Bubba, have done their best to utterly destroy what were once extremely good dog breeds. American German Shepherd Dogs, for example, are utterly different from their European cousins. The AKC standards have ensured that their hips are terrible and their temperments hyperactive and dangerous. In Europe dogs with such traits are destroyed or prevented from breeding. And the end result is a dog breed that is far superior to the American version.

Add to this Bubba, who keeps his big dog on a chain and treats it like crap, and it's no surprise these attacks keep on happening. Before moving to the Cosmo Compound, I had to live for a while with neighbors who had a rottweiler. The dog was fine as a pup, but then Bubba chained him out, and the dog kept trying to kill me after that every time I had to walk past him with food for the GSD's out in the kennels. Sure enough one day he broke loose. The only reason he didn't nail me was because I saw it coming and faced him down. Our alpha GSD nearly killed him a few days later and after that he wasn't much trouble.

Here's our kennel, BTW:

http://www.alaskagermanshepherds.com/

 

[m23haz]

I have had about 8 dogs in my lifetime so far including mixed, a Chow, a Scottish Terrier, and my baby.........a pit bull.

My pitt is the nicest and sweetest dog I have ever owned. I had to get rid of my mixed dogs when I was younger because they were too meen. It really is about how you raise them. My Scottish Terrier will bite you before my pitt.

It gets annoying seeing everyone trash pitts just because of what they hear or isolated incidents. Someone in this thread mentioned German Shepherds being the bad dog of the times at one point. It also used to be Dobermans and Rottweilers. Now the media focus is on pitts so they are hated. A few years from now they will pick another breed to rag on.

You know what breed of dog has the most bites reported each year???
COCKER SPANIELS

All of you people hating on these breeds should know better. Think about how people hate on you for having a gun and thinking that its too dangerous. Dogs are the same situation, if you treat them responsibly then even the biggest one can be safe.

 

[P95Carry]

Cosmo

Here's our kennel, BTW:

NICE site Sir .. very nice. I have to say from an esthetics standpoint the GSD's are amongst my faves ..... handsome indeed.

Your mention re such things as hip dysplasia are all too valid, more is the pity .. and I have many times been angered by those breeders for whom only the Green Dollar reigns supreme ... it's tragic what bad in-breeding can do.

I say all that and I am not - per se - anything of a dog lover at all but I do appreciate fine creatures nonetheless.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

My pitt is the nicest and sweetest dog I have ever owned. I had to get rid of my mixed dogs when I was younger because they were too meen. It really is about how you raise them. My Scottish Terrier will bite you before my pitt.

God, if I had a dime for every time I've heard this...........Look, a friend of mine has a champion Pit Bull who is his best friend. Somebody who raises Pits as show dogs, I'm sure knows HOW to raise them AND treat them. Doesn't matter now as he's looking at trouble in the form of lawsuits and fines after his dog has bitten several people. He always used to say what you said too.............

IMO, Never own a dog with a reputation if it's too big to handle with your bare hands.

 

[HogRider]

You know what breed of dog has the most bites reported each year???COCKER SPANIELS

OK, how many reported cases are there where a Cocker Spaniel has actually killed somebody?

 

[m23haz]

Well just because your friend has a lawsuit doesnt mean that my dog is not the sweetest dog.

:banghead:

You cant judge a dog until you own it and train it and spend time with it yourself. My friend also has a pitbull/ cane corso mix and his parents own 4 preschools and have little children around all the time including their 1 year old. Guess who the super aggressive dangerous pitt loves to lick the most? The children. And that is because my friend spends tons of time with it and spent the time with it when it was a puppy to make it a gentle dog.......not a show dog.....not a fighting dog......not a competition dog......he turned it into the perfect family dog that comes to the park and the beach with the family.

These dogs are extremely smart, loyal and muscular. So you can turn them into whatever you want, be it a lover or a fighter.

And I dont think that any cocker spaniels have killed anybody but you trying to be smart actually proves my point........these dogs do get the bad rap because they are muscular and WHEN they do bite it causes damage. They have a nicer temperment then a lot of other dogs (like cockers) but cockers dont hurt so you dont hear about them becuase there are no lawsuits or flashy headlines to put on the news for people to watch. A bad temperment is a bad temperment. It as stupid as saying that big guys are more aggressive than little guys or more dangerous. They are more capable, not more dangerous.

 

[Pilgrim]

The AKC, coupled with Bubba, have done their best to utterly destroy what were once extremely good dog breeds. American German Shepherd Dogs, for example, are utterly different from their European cousins. The AKC standards have ensured that their hips are terrible and their temperments hyperactive and dangerous. In Europe dogs with such traits are destroyed or prevented from breeding. And the end result is a dog breed that is far superior to the American version.

The American Kennel Club does not establish breed standards. Those standards are established by the national breed club, i.e., the German Shepherd Dog Club of America

The American Kennel Club merely licenses judges to judge those breeds in accordance with the national club's standards.

If you don't like the German Shepherd breed standards, take it up with the national club. Don't blame the American Kennel Club.

Pilgrim - Bred and exhibited longhaired dachshunds and whippets in accordance with the Dachshund Club of America and American Whippet Club standards.

 

[HogRider]

And I dont think that any cocker spaniels have killed anybody but you trying to be smart actually proves my point.......

What point? Not trying to be smart ,but this thread was about (deadly) attacks by Pitbulls and not about the bite frequency of Spaniels, Poodles and other 4-legged ankle biters.

"My dog is the sweetest , nicest, friendliest child loving animal I have ever owned....... no clue why he suddenly attacked that kid, I have no Idea what got into him?"

Does something like that sound familiar? It's what you read or hear on the news frequently after an attack.

 

[Ryder]

It's like those dogs have no soul

He must of been eating his smart pills that day.

There'd be a lot less problems if people figured out that animals are not people. Next thing ya know somebody's going to be saying dogs have a right to own firearms and free speech.

 

[Bigjake]

i smell a closed thread. take a breather guys, we've done this argum....er , discusion like twice this month already.....(?)

American German Shepherd Dogs, for example, are utterly different from their European cousins. The AKC standards have ensured that their hips are terrible and their temperments hyperactive and dangerous. In Europe dogs with such traits are destroyed or prevented from breeding. And the end result is a dog breed that is far superior to the American version.

Cosmo- i hear ya. nice looking kennel you've got btw. my parents were always big on shepards, and they got a pair of pups last year that are "the real deal", dog & bitch both imported from some euro place or another. i was suprised, because my idea of a shepard was not huge & stocky. these mutts are bruisers!

edited for loust html tagging

 

[m23haz]

Ummm........acutally NO I have never heard of that......the attacks I hear about on the news are people that are like in this article who have their dogs tied up outside who pay no attention to them or they just let them run the streets and carry on with no training or discipline. I can honestly say that I have never heard someone say that their sweet family dog attacked someone. The overwhelming majority of mauling cases are unkept and uncontrollable dogs who are in the hands of terrible irresponsible people. Kinda like when guns get in the hands of irresponsible people.

Oh and I forgot to mention in my original post that I also had a German Shepherd when I was younger

 

[JohnKSa]

Animals are not entirely predictable. When someone starts a sentence with the words: "My dog would never..." it's always safe to ignore whatever comes next.

There is no such thing as a dog that will not bite. Some take more provocation than others, but they'll all bite under the proper circumstances.

Also, dogs are group animals. Their behavior is heavily influenced by the group that they are operating in at the moment. What they do at home with their human pack has very little relevance to what they do when they're roaming with a dog pack.

BTW, another common phrase that I hear that is almost universally false starts out: "My kid would never..." Heck--I've BEEN that kid, and I'll tell you for certain that I would and did.

 

[m23haz]

Im not saying my dog wouldnt ever bite anyone, it would bite anyone who tried to hurt me because it is very loyal to me and protective. But if I am comfortable with you then so is she. However, she wouldnt ever go up to someone and bite them for no reason and so called "snap" like they are said to do.

 

[sturmruger]

Off Topic

I personally think if people want to debate the virtues of a specific dog breed they should go over to the AKC website and see of they have a forum there. If you are interested in talking guns then you are in the right place. :banghead:

This is an interesting article because it shows how valuable it is to have a high capacity weapon easily accessible. I actually have three guns for home defense that are all loaded and close to the door. I have my 10-22 all decked out for squirrels, Moss 500, and finally my Mini 14 with two 40 round clips. I hope that if I ever needed to shoot at a pack of wild dogs I would be able to do it quickly and effectively.

This also makes me think of when I was a kid and lived way, way out in the country. When I was 12 my Mother asked me why I always had a gun outside with me. She said that it didn’t seem to matter what I was doing I had my trusty 10-22 close by. I told he that I kept it out there to protect all of us. She then asked from what. I told her I wasn’t sure, but if I saw it I wanted to be prepared.

 

[JPM70535]

Lovers of Pitts, Rotties, Dobies, and other breeds known to be aggressive should definitely be held accountable for any injury caused to others, human or other animal types. Problem is that by the time action is taken, the damage has usually been done. Don't take this wrong, because I own animals and appreciate the loyalty owners develope as to their breed of dog, but I honestly do not see any redeeming qualities in the Pit Bull. Inbreeding has been the bane of other breeds such as the Rottweiler, and Dobermen, and to a lesser extent, Sheperds and Chows. In the case of the Pit Bull this inbreeding has been for the sole purpose of enhansing the fighting instinct, resulting in a ticking timebomb just waiting to go off.

Defend them if you wish, and when they do attack, be prepared for the consequences.

BTW, My philosophy has been and always will be that the only good Pit Bull is a dead one, and my constant companion (1911) has accounted for more than one who has violated my comfort zone.


JPM

 

[m23haz]

I actually agree.......after reading this post and its responses and the other posts that had to do with naming your kid after a gun (I still cant belive I read that and people are serious about it) and the post criticizing the show 24 for showing a gun safety ad after they showed a game of Russian roulette (which was the right thing to do in my opinion, whether you love guns or not you dont want kids thinking thats cool to do) I think I realized why I never posted before and just read the classifides here

 

[pax]

Closed as Off Topic.

Sorry it took so long to close this, but y'know guys, the moderators on THR are all volunteers, and most of us have jobs and Real Lives and stuff like that ...

pax