Pants for Cold Weather Elk Hunting?

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That was a good post ! I don't know all the new stuff and that's for sure. One thing I will always remember is the Con Tike voyage. Built a reed boat based on the original Egypt plans. Tried to prove an Atlantic crossing was possible. It was. The new guys didn't make it the first time partly because they used then state of the art down sleeping bags and down clothes. The second try they used wool, like the original guys did.
I'm so old now all I need to know is if the heater is working in my pickup, I have a can of sardines, and if my GSP has water..............
 
I am also not sold on waterproofing (which of course most wool, as well as the previously mentioned Micro Tex, isn't) everything, in some places maybe, but where I am I think focusing on good gators and gear that will help me not sweat (like I said above, I hear waterproof pants get sweaty, but if anybody wants to stear me right on this go ahead) is more important.

The old waterproof clothing was either a rubber/plastic construction or used a rubber/plastic coating that kept you dry. It also locked in all the moisture from sweating. Under continued heavy exertion or hot weather you could become just as wet as if you left it off in the rain. Modern waterproof clothing made with Gore-Tex or other breathable membrane allows water as vapor to escape(your sweat) while keeping water as a liquid(rain/snow/heavy dew) out. It will not keep you from sweating when you exert yourself or you are dressed to warmly. Nothing will. This is why having a layer that will wick that moisture away from your body is important. Years ago we did not have that. We had cotton or wool undergarments that trapped that moisture next to your body and made you cold when your cooled down. Now we have better choices made with man made fibers that transfer that moisture to an outer layer away from our skin.

You need to dress for the conditions, but you also need to dress for how you will be hunting. If I'm still hunting all day, I dress so that when I get out of the truck I'm cold, because even tho I will be walking slowly, I still will be exerting myself enought to keep warm. If I get too warm while still hunting, I know I'm going too fast and need to slow down. If I need to walk a long ways into stand(1/2 mile or more), I dress the same way....but carry my warmer clothes in my backpack to put on when I get there. That way I will not get heated up and sweat heavily on the way in. I also carry a dry pair of socks in my backpack. Those little air activated hard/body warmers can be a savior too. A coupla of them on your back will keep you warm for hours as well as keeping your hands warm. They create no smell and can be deactivated if you don't use them all up by putting them in a zip lock bag(shutting off the air to them) to be used again later. I always have them in my backpack too.
 
That was a good post ! I don't know all the new stuff and that's for sure. One thing I will always remember is the Con Tike voyage. Built a reed boat based on the original Egypt plans. Tried to prove an Atlantic crossing was possible. It was. The new guys didn't make it the first time partly because they used then state of the art down sleeping bags and down clothes. The second try they used wool, like the original guys did.
I'm so old now all I need to know is if the heater is working in my pickup, I have a can of sardines, and if my GSP has water..............

Uhmmm....

I'm pretty sure you need to do some fact checking on your Kon-Tiki reference..

It was a Pacific crossing from South America to the Pacific Islands, in the tropics (no sleeping bags needed), the "Egyptians" had nothing to do with the historical reference of the voyage. It was all about the Polynesians and it was a boat built out of local lumber from South America. I think maybe you've got your historical voyages mixed up?:)
 
Wool is ok but I have not worn it for hunting in a long time except maybe as a shirt. It is heavy, more so when wet and when wet from snow it will freeze solid. I much prefer modern materials, way lighter, warmer and waterproof and breathable. And more flexible. My experience comes from hunting in snow in very cold weather. I have mixed feeling about fleece as well. If the weather is dry with no snow it is less critical. I also agree there is a big difference from being on foot and riding.
 
I go with some form of a poly base layer,next layer wool and then depending on conditions a Gortex outer layer. Filson and LL bean wool pants are excellent.

Surplus USGI wool works well and the older German Bundeswehr pants with plastic(layered between the fabric) in the butt/thigh area work well.
 
H&H

I'm pretty sure you need to do some fact checking on your Kon-Tiki reference..
You're right of course. It could have been the Ra 1 or Ra 2.
 
One thing I will always remember is the Con Tike voyage. Built a reed boat based on the original Egypt plans. Tried to prove an Atlantic crossing was possible. It was. The new guys didn't make it the first time partly because they used then state of the art down sleeping bags and down clothes. The second try they used wool, like the original guys did.

Uhmmm....

I'm pretty sure you need to do some fact checking on your Kon-Tiki reference..

It was a Pacific crossing from South America to the Pacific Islands, in the tropics (no sleeping bags needed), the "Egyptians" had nothing to do with the historical reference of the voyage. It was all about the Polynesians and it was a boat built out of local lumber from South America. I think maybe you've got your historical voyages mixed up?:)

You're right of course. It could have been the Ra 1 or Ra 2.

..........I wonder what they wore for pants?:D
 
I'm always amazed at the resistance to modern engineered fabrics and materials.
 
It's not all that amazing. With all of todays modern engineering we still use the wheel. Just because it's a few thousand years old doesn't mean they got it wrong. Sitka, Kuiu, and First Lite still have wool clothing in their lines.
 
+1

Wool is always a great choice for use in tough cold conditions outdoors. To me, the only downside is that it can get heavy when wet. But it still stays warm.

I have a pair of $25 Yugo surplus pants that have been my go to big game pants for 25 years. I like to still hunt, so they see lots of abuse in thorny vegetation (think multiflora rose, blackberry, crab apple, and hawthorn). I wonder if synthetic fabric wouldn't be in tatters by now if they saw the same abuse.

I've had them dry cleaned once in that time, because dirt, mud, and blood just falls off when it dries. Now I must admit I bought a new pair of wool pants last year because they are starting to look a little shabby. And I do have some of the newer fabrics as well. But wool is not a bad choice.

Laphroaig
 
It's not all that amazing. With all of todays modern engineering we still use the wheel. Just because it's a few thousand years old doesn't mean they got it wrong.

Not a very good analogy.


The wearing of pants/clothing is probably older than the wheel. The first wheels were made of stone or wood. While we still use the wheel, for the most part, we use wheels made with modern technology and materials when the going gets rough and we need something that serves us well. We could still use stone and wooden wheels, but we wouldn't win many races or get very far outta town to go hunting. Same with clothing. Wonder why even Sitka is now promoting modern man made materials for base layers? Because while their merino wool is first rate, it still has it's drawbacks. Wool can take a long time to dry in the field, it also retains scent, i.e. gets stinky. When I used to use pac boots with wool liners, I always had at least two pairs of liners because they would not dry overnight and I hated putting my feet into wet liners in the morning. Now I use pac boots whose liners consist of a combination of materials, including wool, which wick the moisture away. So even if they are damp, they are still dry next to your foot, thus warmer. Good wool clothing still has a place, but it is not always the best. One needs to know the applications and conditions of their hunt. Back when wool was the only option, duck hunters knew if they went overboard, the first thing to get rid of was their wool coat before it filled with water and drug them down.

Remember back in the late seventies, early eighties when the rage was Down filled hunting pants and coats? Lightweight and warm, didn't get heavy when wet. One could tell how old the clothing was from the amount of duct tape holding the down in.........:banghead:
 
If one is truly interested in the cutting edge materials and products for extreme cold, and extreme weather. You need to look no further than the mountaineering crowd. And while it is true that they have long ago ditched natural fibers for synthetics in most cases. Serious no kidding tech gear is expensive. With that in mind military surplus wool is still a great bang for the buck.

While I still have some wool. My hunting/climbing/outdoors, wardrobe is little by little becoming 100% synthetic. I own Sitka, KUIU, and Patagonia to name a few. One of the things that keeps me from owning too much of that stuff is that I HATE camo. Unless I have no other choice I buy their solids or I buy climbing oriented gear simply to avoid having to look like a GQ,high fashion version of Elmer Fudd. It must be my Western upbringing but to me nothing screams city slicker, like a dude decked out head to toe in full camo.
 
Not a very good analogy.


The wearing of pants/clothing is probably older than the wheel. The first wheels were made of stone or wood. While we still use the wheel, for the most part, we use wheels made with modern technology and materials when the going gets rough and we need something that serves us well. We could still use stone and wooden wheels, but we wouldn't win many races or get very far outta town to go hunting. Same with clothing. Wonder why even Sitka is now promoting modern man made materials for base layers? Because while their merino wool is first rate, it still has it's drawbacks. Wool can take a long time to dry in the field, it also retains scent, i.e. gets stinky. When I used to use pac boots with wool liners, I always had at least two pairs of liners because they would not dry overnight and I hated putting my feet into wet liners in the morning. Now I use pac boots whose liners consist of a combination of materials, including wool, which wick the moisture away. So even if they are damp, they are still dry next to your foot, thus warmer. Good wool clothing still has a place, but it is not always the best. One needs to know the applications and conditions of their hunt. Back when wool was the only option, duck hunters knew if they went overboard, the first thing to get rid of was their wool coat before it filled with water and drug them down.

Remember back in the late seventies, early eighties when the rage was Down filled hunting pants and coats? Lightweight and warm, didn't get heavy when wet. One could tell how old the clothing was from the amount of duct tape holding the down in.........:banghead:
You're digging pretty deep to debunk my analogy. There's pros and cons to each. If it's truly cold nasty weather I have wool. I don't mind the weight. Wet, hot, and heavy clothes don't kill you in the winter. The synthetic clothing I've been around that afford me the same warmth and durability of tightly woven wool has all been noisy as sin and far bulkier. As for the clothing trends of the 70's and early 80's, I wasn't born till 1986, so they're before my time. Wool has thousands of years of having the track record for saving lives when it's cold out, I trust the track record more than I do marketing hype of much of today's modern materials. Early season hunting, I'm not a fan of wool, late season when weather becomes a serious consideration I'll bet life on wool.

In your boot example. My personal experience is that my feet are happier slipping into White Pack boots on cold mornings. My insulated Danners are usually cold and clammy on cold mornings and turn into saunas. The Whites warm up quick but they always pull the moisture away from my foot. We've always stuck newspaper in our boots at night to draw the moisture out and don't have much of a wet boots problem.
 
H&Hhunter said:
If one is truly interested in the cutting edge materials and products for extreme cold, and extreme weather. You need to look no further than the mountaineering crowd. And while it is true that they have long ago ditched natural fibers for synthetics in most cases. Serious no kidding tech gear is expensive. With that in mind military surplus wool is still a great bang for the buck.

Exactly! So let's call it what it is. Whether or not modern gear is worth the added performance is another discussion entirely. I have no doubt that the expense is worth it and that's why I have gear from Sitka, Under Armour and others. Up here in NW Montana a simple hike can kill you since the weather can change in minutes.
 
Serious no kidding tech gear is expensive.

But like any good hunting gear, it needs to be considered an investment. Being warm and dry can make the difference between a miserable hunt and a successful hunt. Like good rain-gear and leathers for riding motorcycle. Sure you can get the less expensive stuff that keeps you almost warm or almost dry and never quite fits right as it's falling apart @ 75 MPH or you can invest in the good stuff that last for many years, holds up well, fits right and keeps you warm and dry. Being warm and dry when hunting not only means you will enjoy the experience more, but it also keeps you more alert and ready. Even the slightest degree of hypothermia will lessen your thought and muscle processes, it also adds to fatigue. By the time you start to shiver, Hypothermia has set in. It doesn't matter if it's wool or high tech, get the best you can afford and justify, and use it properly. Too many folks dress too warm and then sweat too much for even wicking base layers to accommodate.



As for the clothing trends of the 70's and early 80's, I wasn't born till 1986, so they're before my time.

'ell, I've got hunting boots older than you.:D I still use a pair of Swedish Mil-Surp wool pants bought before you were born. I never said wool was not good, just that sometimes, depending on the scenario or conditions, there are better options. My experience comes from hunting Wisconsin. The gun deer season can run from late November thru December. Years when there's no snow, or when it's above normal temps not a problem. Years when the snow is waist deep and temps are below normal, one finds out what keeps you dry and warm. I also hunt a lot of swamp/marshland when still hunting, keeping dry is more of a priority then than keeping warm. Clothing that will absorb moisture and then allow it to freeze makes sneaking up on a deer impossible. The added weight of a gallon or two of absorbed moisture may not be an issue at the start of the day, but at the end of the day after several miles of lifting your legs over the clumps of swamp grass or knee deep snow, every ounce counts. More so when you're draggin' a deer. I don't know the weather or the conditions you hunt in, but I know mine and I know how to keep warm and dry in them. I take advantage of every thing I can and have found that while some new products are just advertising, some are really an improvement. Years ago when there was little else to choose from, I used to drag a old Mil-Surp sleeping bag with me to my tree stand when late season bow hunting in January. I'd crawl in it and pull it up around my shoulders to keep from freezing while I sat for hours on end. Wasn't the best, had to see the deer coming from far enough away to get it down around my waist to shoot, and I could only shoot from a sitting position, but it got me a coupla deer. Like I said before, those little air fueled hand/body warmers are a gift from heaven for me. My wife has even sown pockets over my kidneys on some of my hunting coats so that I can put two close to my body to help when on bow stand late in the season. Amazing little things they are.

Besides hunting for over half a century in cold weather, I have also worked outside construction for 40 years in the winters of Wisconsin. Hunting you can go home when you get cold. I had to wait till 4:30 to go home from work. I now work inside year round, but for many years I watched new/young guys try to skimp on warm work clothes/boots. Most had to freeze their butts off a few times to heed what us old guys told them. As for Hypothermia, coupla years ago I went out after a fresh foot of snow to still hunt deer. 5 hours of pushing fresh powder with my feet, my circle finally brought me back to within a few hundred yards of my truck. It was 10 below zero when I came to the frozen creek. It was either cross the creek or go another 1/4 mile around, and I was beat. I knew the creek was fast and the ice may not be safe. I also knew the water was only about three feet deep and I would not drown if I went thru, only get wet. So I took my chances. I went thru 1 step from the opposite side. Pulled myself out and started for the last 200 yards to the truck. My hands were wet and so were my legs and feet up to my crotch. It only took me a matter of minutes to get to the truck and only a matter of seconds to realize my hands were so cold I couldn't get the keys outta my pocket(which was frozen solid like my pants). I finally managed to get the keys out, the door open and the engine started. In the 5 minutes or so it took the truck to start to warm up, I suffered. I couldn't get my boots off because they were frozen solid also. My pants and long johns were both solid and frozen to me. It took me another half hour to get home, where it took a hair dryer blowing on my boots to get them off. A long hot shower brought me back from extensive shivering. I then had the time to realized, as safe and as confident as I had felt when crossing the creek and taking that chance, that another 50 yards may have meant I was still out there.
 
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