Paper on the line again

armoredman

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I love my Remington New Model Army by Uberti. Used some paper cartridges at the line with Olde Eynsford. I'm sure that many people here are better shots, but I'll take that. Ten yards, two hand standing.

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Leftover paper in the cylinder and forcing cone. These are the Guns of the West kit, but next I will try the TrueWave end papers I got recently, maybe nitrided.

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It was a fun morning. :)
 
Most people, in my experience, would be shocked that a "mere" percussion revolver was capable of such fine accuracy.

The amount of paper left behind would worry me. The thought of ramming home a cartridge on top of a smoldering ember terrifies me. I use the True Wave papers with good results (nitrated or not) and imagine you will too.
 
.38 Special said:
Most people, in my experience, would be shocked that a "mere" percussion revolver was capable of such fine accuracy.

The amount of paper left behind would worry me. The thought of ramming home a cartridge on top of a smoldering ember terrifies me. I use the True Wave papers with good results (nitrated or not) and imagine you will too.
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Me too, which is why I took the time to clean out every chamber before reloading. I'll make some more tonight with the curling paper. The salon gave me two boxes free...
 
Several years ago I did extensive testing using paper cartridges in both .36 and .44 pistols. I wasn't testing accuracy but rather conditions at a Cowboy Match where time constraints wouldn't allow complete cylinder inspection for paper residue after firing. The test was conducted over four days and I fired a pair of similar guns 6 cylinders each as fast as I could load the next round of paper cartridges. In other words, I loaded the next batch right on top of whatever paper residue remained from previous firing.
Day 1--pair of Uberti .36 51 Navies, total 72 rounds
Day 2--pair of Uberti .44 60 Armies, total 72 rounds
Day 3--pair of Euroarms .44 Rogers & Spencers, total 72 rounds
Day 4--pair of Uberti .36 61 Navies, total 72 rounds
That was a total of 288 rounds with no hang fires or mis-fires. Each round went off normally. That convinced me that under normal conditions the paper residue poses minimal problems. I do however make my paper cartridges from one thickness hair curling paper, using just enough paper to do the job.
 
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.38 Special said:
Most people, in my experience, would be shocked that a "mere" percussion revolver was capable of such fine accuracy.

The amount of paper left behind would worry me. The thought of ramming home a cartridge on top of a smoldering ember terrifies me. I use the True Wave papers with good results (nitrated or not) and imagine you will too.
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Cylinder swab........ Just add water........

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Armored farmer said:
At one time, when I was shooting my cap n ball revolvers alot, I declared my Uberti '58 the most accurate revolver that I own.
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I've got some scary rested groups out of my 1862 at the ten-15 yard mark. My Uberti New Model Army in Navy caliber is very accurate. They can be as accurate as anything else I think. Armoredman's off hand group is excellent...but I am not surprised!
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Navy Six 2 said:
Several years ago I did extensive testing using paper cartridges in both .36 and .44 pistols. I wasn't testing accuracy but rather conditions at a Cowboy Match where time constraints wouldn't allow complete cylinder inspection for paper residue after firing. The test was conducted over four days and I fired a pair of similar guns 6 cylinders each as fast as I could load the next round of paper cartridges. In other words, I loaded the next batch right on top of whatever paper residue remained from previous firing.
Day 1--pair of Uberti .36 51 Navies, total 72 rounds
Day 2--pair of Uberti .44 60 Armies, total 72 rounds
Day 3--pair of Euroarms .44 Rogers & Spencers, total 72 rounds
Day 4--pair of Uberti .36 61 Navies, total 72 rounds
That was a total of 288 rounds with no hang fires or mis-fires. Each round went off normally. That convinced me that under normal conditions the paper residue poses minimal problems. I do however make my paper cartridges from one thickness hair curling paper, using just enough paper to do the job.
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I just started "rolling my own" lately. The coffee filter paper is easy to work with, but it can leave a lot behind. But I've wondered if most of that does not get blown out with repeated shots. From your experiment, seems like the pistol kind of "cleans it's own house" during a long string of shots. That would make sense to me.

I've also been using magician's magic flash paper, which seems a bit too delicate, and expensive compared to other options, but does not seem to leave anything behind. Sounds like the curling paper might be the best bet.

I sure don't worry about burning embers, I've seen no evidence that any of the papers tend to do that. Has it ever been known to happen, from a reliable source??
 
The only part that remains with the curling papers is a small ring of paper in the bottom of the chambers from where the bottom of the cartridge is glued on. So far I haven't seen any thing smoldering from that ring. After shooting a good handful of cartridges I only find one of those rings left behind in the chambers. Makes me think they either get blown out or it burns up the previous ring.
 
I made up several new cartridges with the TrueWave end papers. Next time out I will try them. Thanks for the positive feedback!
 
Jackrabbit1957 said:
The only part that remains with the curling papers is a small ring of paper in the bottom of the chambers from where the bottom of the cartridge is glued on. So far I haven't seen any thing smoldering from that ring. After shooting a good handful of cartridges I only find one of those rings left behind in the chambers. Makes me think they either get blown out or it burns up the previous ring.
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That's what I'm thinking, but I never fire enough rounds off at one sitting to know.
 
I do encounter that "ring" of paper at the bottom of the chamber, but only occasionally. More often I find a bit of paper adhered to the cylinder wall. My difference may lie in the fact I make a straight tube of paper instead of a cone shape like most do. Go back a couple of years on here and look up the tutorials done by "The Outlaw Kid" and you'll see what I mean. His descriptions were superb and making a straight tube almost the inside diameter of the chamber allows me to squeeze in a few extra grains of powder in the .36s. I need that extra punch if I use the Navies at a Cowboy Match and they have knock down targets.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
I've got some scary rested groups out of my 1862 at the ten-15 yard mark. My Uberti New Model Army in Navy caliber is very accurate. They can be as accurate as anything else I think. Armoredman's off hand group is excellent...but I am not surprised!
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That's some good shooting. I need to get my pocket police dialed in, I hope it's as accurate.
I've loaded it with cartridges made from Raw cig paper, it seems to only leave a ring in the bottom. The sink looks like a pothead's ashtray when I'm done.
 
Pete453 said:
That's some good shooting. I need to get my pocket police dialed in, I hope it's as accurate.
I've loaded it with cartridges made from Raw cig paper, it seems to only leave a ring in the bottom. The sink looks like a pothead's ashtray when I'm done.
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Thanks. I don't have a thingie to make .36 cartridges, but I do have a boat load of empty ones (.36) I got from the Outlaw Kid, quite a while ago. Those will not load into my '62, but work perfectly in my Remington. As the blue is so nice on my 1862, I don't want to bugger it up by opening up the "loading port" on the barrel. (I think that's what you would call it) To get it sighted/dialed in, POI/POA at grouse and wabbit distance I did put a taller front sight on it, which did bugger up the end of the barrel a bit. But frequent touch up with cold blue pretty much solves that. The loading port area would be much more obvious. Normally I don't sweat to much over the finish on a pistol, but the blue on the Uberti is so nice.

I did just enlarge the "port" on my 1860 recently. Slug/bullet cartridges still don't load "great", but a ball over 28 grains of 4fg slips right in nice and fast, and trouble free. Those are my wolf-repellent speed loads.
 
armoredman said:
I don't have a proper cartridge box, so the max I usually have with me is 12-20 of them.
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That is about right for field carry, 18 rounds being kind of the "official" load-out for a pistol, back in the day. When going afield with either of my .36" caliber pistols, I carry more than that for small-game survival purposes. When I have the 1860, it is for general purposes and wolf or cougar repellent, so 18 rounds, plus the six in the pistol should/will/hopefully cover any "situation".

A nice way to carry around 18 paper cartridges is with the civil war era musket cap pouch. It is real stiff leather and will house the cartridges safely. I use it for loose ball normally, for any caliber, (full of ball, and a flask on the belt you can carry a lot of ammo) or five rounds of ".54-70" cartridges for my Plains Pistol, or even dump in a bunch of .22LR for my Airlite pistol when packing that. I've never actually tried to see how many .44 cartridges it would hold, but I'm thinking close to 18. ? At least? More? Less? :)
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