Pardner Pump for home defense.

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I bought this 12 gauge from a coworker because he said he needed some quick cash and I had been thinking of buying a home defense shotgun anyway. I payed him $175 cash as is with no other info about it. He said he bought it new and had shot a box of bird shot through it. It had stayed in his closet till I got it. I've shot several 5 count boxes of 00buck and one box of slugs. The barrel is stamped "2 3/4 or 3 in" shells. I would like to pick you-alls brains about this shotgun and would appreciate any info, opinions, or comments.

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Do a search. There are lots of threads discussing this shotgun, especially as it compares to the Remington 870, of which it is a copy.

General opinion is that it's a very sturdy and well made gun for the money. Many don't like that it's a Chinese copy of a classic American design.
 
19-3Ben pretty much hit it. seems like alot of folks swear by em far as reliability is concerned.

some do not like that it is a chinese copy of the remington 870. all economical, political, pro american, or anti chinese thoughts aside, it should reliably sling buckshot downrange.
 
I have the same gun. Basically it is everything a good pump shotgun should be.

You got a decent deal. I bought mine for ~$190-$200 brand new a few years ago, and prices have gone up. $175 in fair condition with no issues is about going rate.

Also, the brand of buckshot you have happens to be my guns favorite so far as far as patterns go. Enjoy!
 
It is a good gun at a great price. I just paid $200.00 for a new one plus tax and other fees - from my perspective you got a good deal. I doubt anyone ever regretted getting a Pardner.
Max100 knows a lot about these guns and essentially it is a copy of an 870 - total parts compatibility and barrel compatibility with minor adaptation. H&R did it right and I intend to buy another.
 
TA,

Seems like a decent deal on a decent shotgun. As has been said, it's e clone of the venerable 870, Chinese made, and some sell it short for that reason alone. I got one a while back, just so I could see how well put together they are and if parts/accessories from 870s would fit. I've been horsing it around some in intervening weeks, and so far so good. Of course, it'll take 20 or 30 years to really know if it's as well built as an 870, but so far no problems.

The main thing is to learn to run the gun. Fighting with a shotgun is a different order of business than shooting one at the range or in the hunting field. At least, avail yourself of some of the excellent videos out there on the fighting shotgun (I'd suggest Louis Awerbuck, Clint Smith, or Tom Givens for those) and, when time and circumstances permit, get in a basic shotgun class from whatever good instructor you can locate. Your skillset is the most important thing about that shotgun, or any shotgun, that winds up in your hands at a critical moment.

Stay Safe,

lpl
 
I've taken some lumps defending the quality of the Pardner Pump by NEF.

Some folks call it "cheap Chinese junk" and if the truth be known, those folks probably have never held one in their hands.

There is a lot of anger toward goods from China and while I respect others feelings as to their beliefs, I remain objective when it comes to firearms.

I have had and have several weapons from Russia and China that are excellent firearms and reliable as gravity.

The Pardner Pump is a commercial shotgun built to NEF's specs and is a very well made field shotgun.

I had the 12 ga. in walnut and blue and it was a robustly built firearm. I let it go to a friend who is happy with it. It was a bit heavy for me.

I have the 20 ga. Compact with 21" barrel and simply love the gun.

It's bone stock and shoots very well.

You didn't hurt yourself at all with your purchase but don't expect to find a whole lot of love for the Pardner Pump for the reasons previously mentioned.
 
You can't go wrong with a Hawk Ind made shotgun, Hawk 982 or NEF Protector.

Savage/Stevens has a Ithaca 37 copy coming out soon called Stevens 350. I believe they are made in China because the retail price is about the same as the 982 & Protector. It would be nice if they are made by Hawk Ind.


GC
 
There was a version of that gun a few years back and I wonder if this is the same gun reconfigured to fit and finished as specified by Stevens. :)

I looked at one some time ago and it was 139 dollars and that kinda scared me off. I thought it was a cheap copy and now I wished I would have rolled the dice on that gun.
 
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I have one and I love it. What drew me to the gun was the compact size, 870 similar controls, and low price. Honestly I did have to send mine back for a new feed latch and a chamber polish about a week after shooting it. The repair was free and had only a three week turn around. However, since then it has been 100% and I don't at all regret paying the $189 NIB price for it. To me the recoil is pretty light for a compact shotgun. I believe this is because of the hefty weight and nice recoil pad. It's a great all around HD shotgun for someone on a budget.
 
I'll gladly pay the price difference for a real Remington or Mossberg. It's political for me. I just can't patronize a country that uses slave labor to manufacture the goods it sells. In my experience, there's only about $100 difference between a cheap gun and a good quality alternative.

BTW, I understand that for some people their is no alternative because times are tough and money is in short supply. But, since I can afford to be picky, that's what I am.
 
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Since you have never owned a Pardner and apparently never will it is ignorant to state that the Pardner is "a cheap gun" and that for $100 more you get a "good quality alternative." The Pardner is a "good" gun - you may not like that but that is a fact for every one who owns one. We all owe H&R, Marlin, and Remington thanks for offering such a good gun for a low price.
Thank you H&R, Thank you Marlin and Thank you Remington.
 
...it is ignorant to state that the Pardner is "a cheap gun" and that for $100 more you get a "good quality alternative."
I didn't specifically state that the Pardner Pump is a cheap gun. But, since you broght it up, it actually is a cheap gun. Some say it is a good cheap gun. But, lots of people also say that a Hi-Point is good gun. Maybe it is? I'll never know - because I'll never buy one.
We all owe H&R, Marlin, and Remington thanks for offering such a good gun for a low price.
I think you ought to thank the Chinese slave labor force for providing such a "good" gun for such a cheap price.
 
Don't tell me you drive one of those full size Dodge Trucks made in Mexico. Are you asserting as a fact that the H&R/Marlin/Remmington Pardner is made by "slave labor" or is that more speculation. Right, you have no idea just a general idea that there is slave labor in China. I bet every employee at Hawk Industries is grateful for their job. I love people living high on the hog hoping that world wide commerce will fit into some neat little package. And by the way, why would any sane person making the argument you are making say they would rather have a "real Remington" when Remington is behind all of this in the first place. Why not throw Remington, Marlin and H&R under the "slave labor bus" as well? Right - that would make sense. Thank you Hawk Industries.
 
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All things considered, if its the only shotgun in the house, then its the best one in the house. As long as it goes BANG when called upon, does it matter where it came from? Is the bad guy(god forbid it happens) know that its not an 870? Some folks get whatever comes along first that will fill the role. I did. Just so happens that I got a 500, and I love it. This person got a NEF Pardner. As long as she'll answer the call of duty, I see no problem. It's been said better by wiser men than me, but isn't rule 1 to have a gun?
Is this gun unsafe? Is it of substantially lesser quality than an American made Shotgun in a similar price range?
 
Right - I would never slam someone for buying a particular gun. Get what you want. Shoot what you want . I had a Mossberg 590 with GRS and it was a good gun. Please be consistent and not bang on someone else for no good reason.
 
Are you asserting as a fact that the H&R/Marlin/Remmington Pardner is made by "slave labor" or is that more speculation.
Yep! It even says "Made in China" on the damned thing.
Americans can be a frugal lot. We always seem to want something for less than it is worth. The results of that are found in every gun shop across the country: we really dig the cheap stuff, evidenced by Chinese pump guns (H & R Pardner, ugh!) and the bastardization of once great names such as L. C. Smith.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/turkish_invasion.htm

Let there be NO doubt about it!
Qiqihar Hawk Industries Co.,Ltd.

XU

[China] Posted Date: November 29, 2006

Qiqihar Hawk Industries Co., Ltd., located in the Industry City of Qiqihar in North of China, is specialized in designing and manufacturing of shotguns. It was established in 1954 and had been certified as an ISO9001:2000 enterprise in 2000. The brand was awarded as the most famous brand among China shotgun industries by the Ministry of China Industry.
With advanced produce and testing equipments and a group of research talents, the company has a mass production capacity. So far, we have developed hunting guns, sporting guns and protection guns with more than 20 models. Those models including single barrel, semi-auto, super magnum, pump action etc. Especially, our newly developed Over and Under shotguns, are highly honored among domestic and overseas customers. The products have been exported to more than 20 countries, including USA, European, Middle East and East Asian.
Be honesty and credible, keep exceeding ourselves ; is our principle. We d like to keep improving the quality of our shotguns and cooperating with our friends from different countries and areas and sincerely hope to make mutual benefits between us.


http://www.tradekey.com/profile_view/uid/470083.htm
J - you're sure taking this personal, aren't you? I never slammed anyone for buying a PRC pump. All I said is that I will never buy one. I buy other items produced in other countries. I just won't buy a gun that says "made in China" as does the PRC Pump.

I personally don't give a damn what you buy or, for that matter, think. I just don't want to feed the mouth that is eating me/us. If that isn't a good enough reason for you, then too bad.
 
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lol Big Bill do you always have to bash the pardner because its made in china it might just save some American's life some day. A made in China shotgun is better than no gun at all.
 
I started with one and then two. Some how the little bastards created a third one! I keep them as truck guns and havent had any problem with them. 00 is hell on varmints and the gun is cheap enough that I won't lose too much if some thief breaks into my truck.
 
Can anyone here actually document that "slave labor" is involved in the making of these guns, and I don't mean just make a blanket statement that it is because "it's made in China", but actually prove it about these guns?


I've got the same gun, plus a .20 gauge pump, and both have been flawless.
 
Big Bill, I like the way you think. They keep score at the bank, and if anyone bothers to check, China is winning right now.

I know there is no choice much of the time as far as buying Chinese products is concerned, but when I have a choice I choose to buy products made here.

I have handled some of the Chinese guns, and there is nothing wrong with them, I just don't want my dollars going to China when I can help it.

My money, my choice.
 
yeah,i used to balk at chinese made,till my wife showed me 90% of the stuff in my house is from china or taiwan or malasai,i shoot a old 1200 riot,i almost bought a chinese 870 copy,wouldnt hurt my feelings none,for a defense gun,just this load of dirty winchesters was cheaper that day.
 
Can anyone here actually document that "slave labor" is involved in the making of these guns, and I don't mean just make a blanket statement that it is because "it's made in China", but actually prove it about these guns?
So, let me see if I understand you. It is OK to buy a PRC shotgun IF it cannot be proved that it was made by slave labor? What convoluted logic do you live by?

BCCL - check these stories out:

Child Slave Labor in China

Slave Labor in China Sparks Outrage

How China Hides Its Slave Labor From the Free World
Wes Vernon
Saturday, Jan. 11, 2003

Editor's note: See part one of series, Americans Fund Slave Labor, and part two, China's Nazi-like Genocide.

WASHINGTON – The biggest cover-up in the long parade of Clinton scandals was probably the sell-out to the communist Chinese. Harry Wu had a front-row seat on that tragedy, from the inside of Chinese labor camps.

In his book “Troublemaker,” published by NewsMax.com, Wu compares those living hells (or laogai) to Hitler’s concentration camps.

The trade with China, paid for by Americans who are finding it harder and harder to find merchandise they want that does not bear the “Made in China” label, was already in force when the Clintons came to Washington. After they saw the political benefits to be had for selling out, the relationship took off like a rocket.

Thanks in large measure to the Clinton White House's cover-up, we do not know to this day the full story of Chinese espionage that enabled them to gain access to U.S. nuclear weapons know-how through the theft of highly sensitive classified data on sophisticated warheads or the missile-related technology that was compromised.

But Harry Wu saw the Clinton/Beijing relationship from a deeply human perspective: the blue uniforms and shaved heads in Chinese prison camps.

For years, he had been one of the estimated 50 million blue uniformed “troublemakers” who had worked in the camps under totally inhumane conditions. Some of them literally worked themselves to death.

The forced labor had turned out for the American market such items as rubber-soled shoes, boots, kitchenware, toys, tools, men’s and women’s clothing, and sporting goods.

What really bothered Wu was that in 1992, candidate Bill Clinton had criticized the first President Bush for being too lenient in regard to China’s human-rights behavior. Yet in his first year, he renewed China’s trade benefits. True, he attached some strings to the deal, including insistence that China abide by a 1992 agreement banning the export of prison labor products to the United States.

But much of China’s forced labor is carefully hidden from the Western World. A 1992 “white paper” issued by the Chinese regime in defense of its labor camps raised more questions than it answered, as far as Wu was concerned.

For example, he asks, “[W]hy do they put phony names on their prison camp factories, as if trying to conceal the profitable use of forced labor?”

At one camp of lost souls hunched over their machines, stripped of their identities (in some cases for decades), the security officer was asked if he could guarantee the quality of his products.

“No problem,” he answered. He then cited an example of a German manufacturer who bought steel pipes from the camps, and labeled them as being made in Germany. So the products were good enough for the Germans. “How about that!” he marveled.

'Getting Wise'

A manager at Shanghai’s Laodong Machinery Plant, where hand tools were made, boasted that because the U.S. Congress had recently made “quite a fuss” about the prison camps, he and his bosses had devised a way to get around the problem.

We always go through the import-export company,” he said, meaning they set up companies to handle the shipment of goods. That way, as Wu explains it, “nobody quite knows where the goods came from.
These guys were getting wise to the ways of the world.”

This wording in a law on the books in the U.S. for decades specifically forbids the importation of products made by slave labor. Wu cites a little-known section of the 1930 Smoot-Hawley Law. That controversial measure is widely known for having imposed a high tariff in an attempt to protect American jobs during the Great Depression. Critics say it made the Depression worse.

The tariff section of the law was changed by the Reciprocal Trade Act of the 1930s. But the anti-slave-labor section is still “the law of the land.” It specifically bans importing anything made by forced labor. Its final paragraph reads, “Forced labor, as herein used, shall mean all work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any penalty for its nonperformance, and for which the worker does not offer himself voluntarily.”

The law is routinely violated or circumvented, in part because of devices used by the Chinese (such as those cited above) to hide the true origins of the products, but also because of political pressure on politicians here at home not to probe to deeply into the matter. As Wu bluntly puts it, “Many American business people do not know - or do not want to know — the implications of purchasing forced-labor products.

When the Clintons ascended to power in the White House, ignoring those “implications” became de facto policy in Washington. We will discuss that next.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/10/200712.shtml

BCCL - If you have any doubt about slave labor in China, just google the topic and see for yourself.

Almond27 - I agree that a Chinese gun for some is a good thing for those who cannot afford anything else. Sheesh, didn't anyone read my initial post?

As a Christian, I have to try an live by this admonition:

Malachi 3: 5
5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

I didn't try to make a fuss in this thread. Just to express my opinion of what I personally do.
 
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Hey Bill, would all that not apply to your using a PRC made computer as well?

You've been asked twice to prove your claim these guns are made with "slave labor" and have curiously enough not only not done so, but start slinging mud to deflect from the fact that you can't back that claim up.

I read a book once, that had something about "not bearing false witness".....

I suggest that before you comment on what "convoluted" rules you think someone else may live by, you check a mirror.....

And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't have a choice when it comes to computers, I have to use them"...no in fact you don't. If your convictions were as devout as you claim, you could choose to make a stand that would actually cost you something and boycott them entirely.

That would carry more weight on what you "actually do"........

The truth is, the more the Chinese have traded with us, the more they have moved towards freer markets, which is a good thing. Are they perfect no, but change takes time, isolationism won't help.
 
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