Parent Says No To AR15: Needing Help

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Let's pretend... (cliff notes at end)

You're a 16 year old GIRL with uncommonly good taste in rifles and you are looking to purchase (with your own money) your first deer rifle. The rifle of your choosing happens to be a 6.8 SPC AR15. Of course the laws being what they are forbid you to do this so your parents would have to buy it for you from the FFL.

You don't want a boring bolt gun which brings you no joy and spending several hundred dollars on a rifle to use for one week of the year seems even more silly. The AR on the other hand is always a good time as it is alot of fun to plink with economically while keeping your shoulder bruise free. A 5.56 upper is on your want list. You've decided you'll have AR or no rifle at all.

You have a friend that has a 5.56 AR15 with "a bunch of crap" attached to it including an EOTECH. Your mother and step-dad inspect this rifle and your mother is particularly impressed with the the lightweight, pointy carbine. She loves the EOTECH. The collapsible stock is a great idea. It feels good in her hands. Your step-dad isn't so sure. He raises no objections initially but is put off by the fact you need a permit to purchase to buy such a gun. Why? It's a "military style assault weapon" according to state law. Of course it's not actually an assault rifle because it lacks select-fire capability your friend explains. Up until this point he doesn't have a problem with it. When the 'A' word is brough up everything changes. This man is also a gun owner, though all of them are plain jane, cheaply scoped beat up rusted hunting rifles which he stores in the uninsulated (no heat or A/C) garage during the off season. :scrutiny:

You are proficient in the operation of an AR15 and can shoot it with reasonable skill as well as being able to field strip and clean it.

A couple of days later you are asking if you can get the rifle but suddenly it's become an object of evil. Yeah, that 'A' word rifle. The step-dad is dead set against it. "...it leads to violent activities, like school shootings". (Guns kill people!! :rolleyes: ) She says she has never heard of that and won't be shooting anybody. "If a cop sees it, it has a bad reputation and they would think badly of it".

Personally if I was a cop and discovered a 6.8 AR in a young girls trunk I would be extremely impressed, but that's just me. Apparently the step-dad thinks a cop would find a small blonde high school age girl a threat. Maybe Barney Fife would.

Now mom takes step-dad's side. "He knows alot about guns". Anybody who knows a damn thing about guns doesn't keep 'e, out in a garage with no climate control! They know that EBR's don't make level-headed polite girls into baby killers. Anybody who knows alot about guns knows what a flash supressor looks like and what it does. Not this guy. What a crock.

She was told to wait until she's old enough to purchase it for herself unless she can convince them otherwise. She needs help with the convincing part. $200 complete lower and a ~$500 upper.

Cliff Notes: High school girl wants 6.8 AR for a deer rifle and fun gun but vile gun abusing step-dad thinks evil black rifles turn people into school shooters and scare cops.

Thank You For Reading and Sorry it Got So Long
 
Thanks for the Penn & Teller link, I read about that here but hadn't gotten a chance to view it personally.
 
If said 16 year old girl is already a shooter I don't see a problem. I have never used a 6.8SPC and the rounds are spendy, but my deer gun is a 7-08 (mildly customized Rem 700 bolt gun) which probably isn't hugely different from the 6.8 ballistics-wise.
How about a compromise? Parent's buy the lower receiver (the part requiring a FFL) and girl buys the upper(s)? Keep in mind you (or said character) will need a good scope so add a couple hundred bucks on. An EOtech won't work for hunting unless you are planning on close quarters combat with deer. I have an EO on my AR15 and if I was going to use it for deer hunting I think I'd rather have iron sights.
Point out that the the whole 'assault rifle' term is made up by the media to evoke scary images. An AR-15 is an assault rifle whereas a Mini-14 isn't if you go by the now expired (because it was a complete ineffective failure) assault wepons ban, even though they both have the same caliber, capacity, etc. The AR just looked "evil" while the Mini-14 looked more like a "sporting" rifle (don't get me started on the sporting garbage).
Honestly I started hunting using whatever I was handed to me because I wanted to hunt. I wouldn't refuse if I didn't get a particular gun, and usually the old guy with a beat up 30-30 will take more deer than the young pup with a uber-tactical $4000 magnum.
P.S.- Women with ARs rock!
 
Take the step dad out shooting with a friend's AR.

While we were dating my wife didn't like firearms very much. She didn't think they should be banned but she didn't see any need for one unless you were hunting. Finally, after convincing her to go shooting, she reluctantly tried my AR15. After about the 6th magazine, I finally got to shoot it myself. She was all :D and couldn't stop talking about how much fun it was to shoot (plus she was also a natural dead eye which definitely helped). After that, she never questioned or complained about my interest in shooting for fun. I also lost a S&W M66 to her that day as well.......

Bottom line, your step dad may be coming from a place of ignorance with regards to the "black rifle". Taking him out for some plinking, along with mom, would be a good ice breaker and maybe soften him up some.

However, he is your parent and life sucks sometimes and you may just have to wait. If that is the case, then get a bolt action and be happy. Frankly, you will get more long term enjoyment out of the bolt action anyways.
 
Personally up until a few years ago I used a New England Firearms single shot 30-30 with an antique Bushnell Banner 2.5x (post reticle) as my deer rifle.

I agree on the parent buying the lower (well they'd have to) but I suggest that they pay for it too.

And yes, I'm sure a Mini-14 would be just fine to them. In my opinion if you've already spent that much you might as well buy a real rifle. :)

I'm not sure about the enjoyment from a bolt gun. I have a Remington Model 700 which I really do like alot, but it's not good for much outside of deer season. I've shot 5 rounds through it since last season and I even bought 12 boxes of dirt cheap ammo on clearance from Wal-Mart. I could certainly be without it (unless TSHTF ;)).
 
I'm assuming that 648E is the friend mentioned.

Personally, I'm not terribly well versed in the world of the AR-15, but it seems to me that a 6.8 SPC upper wouldn't be a good choice for her. Ammunition would just be way too troublesome to acquire, unless there's already a readily available source (?). Go for 223/5.56 before thinking of 6.8, I would say.

As for the important issue of convincing them...has the mother and step-father had the opportunity to shoot a garden-variety AR-15? I dunno, maybe try to explain to the step-father that the .223 Remington cartridge is little more than a really hot .22, and really would be a good choice for plinking.

If that doesn't work...I suppose there's no choice but to wait, keep up a continual nagging advertisement campaign (2 years or parental surrender, whichever comes first!), and take whatever opportunity to shoot other's ARs whenever possible.
 
Personally up until a few years ago I used a New England Firearms single shot 30-30 with an antique Bushnell Banner 2.5x (post reticle) as my deer rifle.

I agree on the parent buying the lower (well they'd have to) but I suggest that they pay for it too.

And yes, I'm sure a Mini-14 would be just fine to them. In my opinion if you've already spent that much you might as well buy a real rifle.
That's my point, the mini-14 is basically the same as an AR, it's just MUCH less accurate :) If you can talk them into that, it shouldn't be hard to suggest stepping up to a better platform if they can get over how the rifle looks (aw shucks I know it looks evil but it's just misunderstood!)
Have them buy (and pay for) the lower then let you buy uppers at will (6.8, 5.56, .308, .22). Maybe you can sell dad or mom on how versatile that platform is. It's the LEGO of rifles :D
Keep in mind most states have cartrige capacities for hunting. Here its 5 rounds. Make sure they know you aren't planning on packing a 30rd mag around and spraying at deer (not that you'd hit one by spraying).
 
Gander Mountain has 6.8 Remington SPC ammo available quite locally.

Approximate Prices:

$12.19 for FMJ
$13.79 for BTHP
$25.79 for Core-Lokt Bonded

No magazine limits for hunting here, though 1 should be all it takes.
 
Yeah..I was there, a teen trying to convince his/her parents to let them do something. I wouldn't push your luck and just get it when you're old enough. It kinda just makes things worse for things down the road if you keep pushing the button when they've made up their mind. YOU probably can't convince them at this point, obviously if you explained it to them and they said no, they don't see you having enough credibility to convince them otherwise. If you really want to push this, get someone else to pitch in that your parents respect. Maybe your parent's friends or other members of your family.
 
Cops don't care if you have the gun, only if you're using it to kill people. I bought an AK with a cop in the store, I turned and asked him, "I want to know honestly, before I buy this, do you guys (cops) really profile someone in posession of an AK-style rifle." He said, "No. Better it be in your hands than that of a felon."

Like the other guys said. Take step-dad shooting. He'll buy a rifle.
 
evil step dad

He is into CONTROL, he wants to CONTROL you.
Why do you think it's called gun control?
gun control minus gun equals control.

i suggest emancipation.
 
Not really a parallel in my case since I'm waaay older than 16 lol

But as stated earlier
Take the step dad out shooting with a friend's AR
my father laughed at me for spending so much on the "poodle shooter" until he tried it out for himself at the range ^^
He loved it so much he went and bought one for himself.
 
Convince the step father he is a poor excuse for a gun owner if he is basing his decision on less knowledge than a 16 year old female has. Make fun of him for being a willing casuality of false information and basically having his beliefs bestowed upon him by others rather than actually developing them himself from a position of knowledge. Encourage him to learn about what is and isn't an "assault rifle/weapon" and the history behind the Clinton AWB. Demonstate to him that the AWB was a politically drummed up artifical image used to scare soccor moms for their votes. Then redicule his man-hood insisting that he is nothing more than a timid soccor mom. :D
 
Well, if I were the 16 year old girl, err, young woman in question, (note that at this point we've entered a world of perfect fantasy,) I'd alope with an 18 year old gunny hunk and have him buy the rifle. Mommy and step-daddy can get stuffed until they get their heads on straight or until hell freezes over. Their choice:)

Outside the perfect fantasy world, you're pretty much screwed. You can do your best to make a well reasoned argument, and point out in the most polite terms possible, (with all due respect, may it please the court. . .) that step-daddy is conducting himself as a blithering idiot. Just remeber that expectation is the mother of disappointment. Sad but true.

Whatever you do, do NOT fuss, whine, bitch, gripe, moan, scoff, or faunch. The 'rents will assume (ass-u-me) that's an indication of how immature you are. Parents love to flaunt the real or imagined immaturity of their offspring. It's their ace in the hole, trumped only by the classic, "Because I'm the MOM, that's why!"

If all else fails, stash the money in a savings account and wait to inherit the country. And if you're spiteful and vindictive (like me,) you can look foward to the day when step-daddy will need your help, and invision his reaction when you remind him of this little drama and tell him to pound sand.:evil:
 
The only interesting rifles are accurate rifles.

Let's see... How much is that puppy gonna cost you?

One of Jerry Stiller's semi-custom actions, in a decent stock, with a .308 barrel fitted by a master accuracy 'smith, and a Jewell trigger?

Not gonna get into aesthetics, but if the first shot works, you don't need the other 29...
 
Oh yeah...

I even bought 12 boxes of dirt cheap ammo on clearance from Wal-Mart.

Someone REALLY needs to (a) start handloanding and (b) learn that there are other ways to shoot than are taught by the spray and pray advocates from Hollywood.

Sorry to be harsh, but hey... One shot that works is better than ALL the followup shots...
 
First of all, please don't ever ask me to pretend I'm a 16 year old girl again. Or to pretend that these guys are. The thought of the hundreds of good old grizzly gun-geezers types on this site, going about and pretending they are 16 yr old girls nearly made me vomit. That sick mental image just opened up a world of nightmares. 2ndly, tell her to just wait till she's older or has moved out. Basically, it's their house, it's their rules and you need to respect that.
 
Someone REALLY needs to (a) start handloanding and (b) learn that there are other ways to shoot than are taught by the spray and pray advocates from Hollywood.

Sorry to be harsh, but hey... One shot that works is better than ALL the followup shots...

:uhoh:

You're implying I learned to shoot from TV? :banghead:

You're implying I pray and spray deer hunting? ::barf:

Yeah the old bolt action Model 700 is great for that. Also notice that until 2 years ago I used a single shot 30-30.

Would you like to come hunting with me?
 
You need a permit to buy an EBR? You wouldn't happen to be in MD, would you?

Anyway, keep on talking to them about it reasonably and logically. If possible, take stepdad out shooting with friend's AR. Hopefully they'll come around. If not, just be patient. In two years you'll be old enough to buy an AR in a free state (Indiana University is a great school).

Being young sucks. Just soldier through and vow to be a more pro-gun parent. A more pro-gun parent who takes better care of her weapons. :D
 
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