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http://www.themonitor.com/NewsPub/News/Stories/2003/09/22/10642896312.shtml
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By Jennine Zeleznik
Monitor Staff Writer

MERCEDES — Four parents of Science Academy sophomores are determined to protect their children.
From books.
The board of directors for the South Texas Independent School District is expected to decide tonight whether to ban two books — Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World and Robert Heinlein’s Stranger in a Strange Land — from the high school’s 10th grade English Advanced Placement curriculum.
The books, part of the class’ summer reading list, may lead to “inappropriate sexual arousal of young teens,†parent Julie Wilde wrote in her complaint to the district.
“We feel this is inappropriate for the ages of the students at (the) Science Academy or at any South Texas ISD High School,†she continued in her letter, specifically citing Brave New World. “This is pornographic literature and we do not feel it has a place in any school funded by taxpayer dollars.â€
Under school district policies, parents have the right to object to their children’s reading materials, and to obtain alternatives to those materials.
However, “A parent’s ability to exercise control over reading, listening, or viewing matter extends only to his or her own children,†the policies state under the section Guiding Principles. “When instructional resources are challenged, the principles of the freedom to read, listen, and view must be defended as well.â€
As part of the district’s grievance process, the Science Academy’s principal first addressed the complaint. He formed a committee to reassess the materials — all of which have been in use for at least a decade at the district.
The committee found that the books help to develop SAT vocabulary and Advanced Placement analytical skills for students who attend the eighth-best high school in the nation, according to Newsweek magazine.
“This book enriches and supports the curriculum and presents various sides of controversial issues so that students have an opportunity to develop, under guidance, skills in critical analysis and in making informed judgments in their daily lives,†the committee of five wrote in the June report.
Each of the titles has received praise from teachers, professors and critics alike. Stranger in a Strange Land — which Wilde said she did not read — is a 1962 Hugo Award winner about a boy raised by Martians who returned to Earth as a true innocent without knowledge of sex or religion, and is viewed by many as a science fiction masterpiece. Brave New World has been called one of the most brilliant satires written in English, about a dystopia where babies are born in laboratories, people pop “happy†pills like candy and sex is a casual act.
“The references to sexual behavior which the complainants cited as leading to sexual arousal are non-explicit attempts by the author to engage the reader in critical thought about human values and societal codes of conduct,†the committee wrote in its report on Stranger in a Strange Land. “The book addresses sexuality and portrays groups with radically different approaches to sexuality than that generally accepted as our societal norm. The book does not promote these lifestyles as desirable. The book does not give graphic descriptions of sexual acts.â€
It is important to view language and sexual situations in the books in context, wrote Charles Suhor, field representative for the National Council of Teachers of English, in a letter to the board of trustees.
“The ethical and literary value of a work is distorted if one focuses only on particular words, passages, or segments,†he wrote. “An author’s broad moral vision, total treatment of theme, and commitment to realistic portrayal of characters and dialogue are ignored when protesters focus only on aspects that are offensive to them. Unfortunately, there is shock value in isolating and listing selected passages from a book; but this does not reveal anything about the fundamental message or theme in the work, and it does not provide insight into its teachability or its literary quality.â€
Neither group of parents could be reached by deadline.
After failing at the high school level, the parents took their grievances to the superintendent, who backed the committee’s decision. Next, the complaint went to the board of trustees. At its August meeting, the board chose to table the item.
It is expected to address it tonight — which, ironically, is right in the middle of Banned Books Week.
“It is not only the right of parents, but their responsibility to be involved in what their kids are reading,†said Beverley Becker, associate director of the American Library Association’s Office for Intellectual Freedom, which sponsors awareness of banned and challenged books.
“But there’s a line that they cross when they ask that in addition to their kid, that nobody else have access to that book. When they go that next step that nobody else can have access, that’s when we come to a problem.â€
The American Library Association reports more than 7,000 challenges to books in the last decade — more than 60 percent of them from parents. In 2002, people issued 515 book challenges— though that may be as little as 25 percent of that total number of challenges made, Becker said, because people voluntarily report the challenges to the association.
“It’s an individual decision of what you want to read — it’s not through a majority rules,†Becker said. “If you’re going to be a well-informed citizen and consider different ideas, you need to look at them all and make an educated decision for yourself. Look at the argument from all sides — even the side that you don’t agree with.â€
At South Texas ISD, dozens of educators, students, parents and alumni have written the school or spoken before the board of trustees in defense of the books and curriculum.
“In our experiences with school curricula, we have found that there are few instructional materials that do not include something that is offensive to someone,†Suhor, of the National Council of Teachers of English, wrote. “If literary works that are duly selected by English teaching professionals are removed because the works offend particular individuals or groups, there will soon be little or no literature left to teach in our schools.â€
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Well this is double plus ungood.

In related news, Happy Banned Books Week!
 
doubleplusungood unbooks rewrite fullwise.
(edit now that I found the darned book) books huxley heinlein doubleplusungood refs unconcepts rewrite fullwise

Darwin must be sleeping on the job.
 
The books, part of the class’ summer reading list, may lead to “inappropriate sexual arousal of young teens,†parent Julie Wilde wrote in her complaint to the district..."We feel this is inappropriate for the ages of the students" etc.
Mrs. Wilde, books, flowers, rocks, trees, birds, air, water and sunlight all lead to “inappropriate sexual arousal" of MOST teens. They're teenagers. Enjoy being a parent.

And you said that you hadn't read Stranger in a Strange Land.
Check it out, at the Public Library.
Go home.
Read it.
Think.
Go back and get more Heinlein books.
Read them.
Think.
Then think some more, and realize that this is what you want your children to be doing: thinking critically, about real life and the way people behave.

Good for the Principal, the committee, the Superintendent and the Board of Trustees.
May they always keep their clothes and their weapons where they can find them in the dark.
 
Parents, schools boards, and the power of stupid people in large numbers.

And why? They're doing it for the children.

Kinda surprised that Bradbury's Farhenit 451 wasn't in the batch of badthought...maybe they forgot it in the rush.
 
Could I get a show of hands of those that have read Stranger in a Strange Land?

I read it in 11th grade (did a research paper on it, because there wasnt enough literary criticism of Starship Troopers to do the research project on that book), and *damn* that book was a mind blower. (Heinlein wrote it with the intent of causing the reader to question Christian beliefs, and he did a good job of it)

I can totally understand why parents wouldnt want their kids to be required to read that book (I cant comment on Brave New World, havent read that yet). The other Heinlein books I have read would be good for teens, but Stranger would be just a little too far out there for some kids to handle.

That said, I dont support anyone that wants to have the book removed from the library. There's a difference between required reading, and what is available for voluntary reading.

Kharn
 
Could I get a show of hands of those that have read Stranger in a Strange Land?

I did (assigned to me in soph. year at a Catholic High School), and I didn't find it nearly as "inappropriately arousing" as the copies of Playboy and Penthouse that no one seemed to have trouble getting their hands on. :D
 
GSB:
Its not the sexual content that bothered me (but its what those parents are going off), it was the question-everything attitude of the book. Some kids arent ready to handle it at ~10th grade (and some will never be).

Kharn
 
The books, part of the class’ summer reading list, may lead to “inappropriate sexual arousal of young teens,†parent Julie Wilde wrote in her complaint to the district.

Um, that's a side effect of breathing at that age. At least, it was for me. And if they are lucky, they won't get over it. :D

“This is pornographic literature and we do not feel it has a place in any school funded by taxpayer dollars.â€

But on second thought, I think we need to support Wilde. She obviously has some kind of metahuman super-powers, since she is able to determine that a book is "pornographic" without actually reading it. That would have to be quite stressful... kind of like how Spider-Man's "Spider Sense" is always getting him into trouble.

:evil:
 
I've read it. Can't say that it's the first Heinlein that would come to mind to assign to a bunch of teens, (He did write books specifically aimed at teens, after all!) but it's not THAT bad.

It's not like it's Shea and Wilson's Iluminatus trilogy. :what:
 
Brave New World is a masterpiece. I've tried three of four times to get through Stranger in a Strange Land but never made it. It alternately bores and irritates me 'til I toss it aside.

To get back on topic, people who try to ban books generally deserve a flogging.
 
Kharn, Heinlein advocates questioning, but he doesn't advocate disagreeing with the answers...

"Questioning authority" should be inculcated much earlier than 10th grade. It would be far better than training kids to be unquestioning sponges for whatever ideas are tossed out at them.

Questioning isn't the same thing as denial.

Art
 
Stopping teenage boys from being arroused, HMMMM

I dont think there going to have much success there, perhaps they should blind them with a hot poker, that way they wont be able to SEE the teenage girls at school, castration would also work.

I think these folks have some issues of their own.

If you read the bible there are stories of lust and arousal in there as well.

Perhaps we should ban them from reading the bible too.

Sounds like time for a book burnin party in the town square.

I read both these books in 8th grade, in fact I read every science fiction book in the junior high library.

I can say that neither of these science fiction classics had an especially arousing effect on me, all the boys in the neigborhood had playboy and real teenage girls to provide that stimulation.

:D
 
What about Toni Morrison? I must have read half her books as required by assigned reading in high school. Some of the stuff in there was...graphic. :barf:
 
Art:
"Questioning authority" should be inculcated much earlier than 10th grade. It would be far better than training kids to be unquestioning sponges for whatever ideas are tossed out at them.
True, but I think there's better Heinlein books out there than Stranger for teens. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress would be a better choice, in my opinion.

Kharn
 
Sure, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is better to read first, but we'd all read our parents' copies of that while we were still in late grade school or junior high. Hadn't we all? ;)
 
Is there anyone out there who seriously thinks that this will not be a better country when all guns, books and cigarette smoking is banned.:rolleyes:

I fear that these people are not worried about "the children" thinking about sex, but rather thinking at all.:uhoh:
 
...), it was the question-everything attitude of the book. Some kids arent ready to handle it at ~10th grade (and some will never be).
One of the bajillion reasons we're homeschoolers is so that we can teach our kids to question everything from the earliest possible ages.

Schools do a lousy job at that.

Sure, they provide an occasional "controversial" book to cram down the kids' throats, but this is accompanied by weeks of endless PC whining about the right and wrong ways to think about such books.

I prefer to just shove books, any books and all books, at my kids as fast as they'll absorb them, and follow the kids' lead in talking about them afterward. Amazingly, kids are able to come up with opinions of their very own this way, and don't have to simply regurgitate the PC line in order to keep the respect of their peers.

Once they have their very own opinions, it's not hard to discuss the reasons for those opinions, or to ask them nicely pointed questions to get them to think a bit harder and dig a bit deeper.

But if you start the whole process by announcing, "Some people won't like this book because ..." you've tampered with the ideal process.

pax

Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. -- Thomas Jefferson
 
Sure, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is better to read first, but we'd all read our parents' copies of that while we were still in late grade school or junior high. Hadn't we all?
Parents' copies? Parents' copies???

You jest. My folks, when they could spare time to notice what I was reading that day, would say something sneering about bug-eyed-monsters and leave it at that.

I had to find my own sf books, thankyouverymuch. (Err, and I think I read all the current Heinlein books before I was in 6th grade. But it wasn't my parents' fault!)

pax

When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything -- you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. -- Robert Heinlein
 
LOL the more things change, the more they stay the same. Like anything they could read would make a teenager more horny than they allready are.

I remember my 5th grade teacher being concerned that I was reading Animal Farm, and talking to my parents about it.

That didn't get very far.

I think that the first time I read Stranger In a Strange land, I was probably eleven in sixth grade. Any kid who's old enough to actually read that book for fun is more than intelligent enough to handle the concepts in a non-purient fashion.

:rolleyes:
 
Could I get a show of hands of those that have read Stranger in a Strange Land?
*raises both hands*
Sure, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is better to read first, but we'd all read our parents' copies of that while we were still in late grade school or junior high. Hadn't we all?
I read my dad's copy of Stranger when I was a wee lad, but had to buy the rest of my Heinlein collection (I was hooked the first time I read SiaSL).

Advance orders for For Us the Living are available. From what I hear, that'll get banned just as quick.
 
Why is it that these people think that they need to protect their kids by dictating what everyone else's kid must do? Idiots! These people would have an embolism if the students were reading Henry Miller.
 
cordex,

What have you heard about For Us the Living ? Yours is the first reference I've seen to this upcoming Heinlein book (there's a two-sentence review at the B & N web page). It looks like a Jan., 2004 release date. Links include:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/074325998X/103-4740269-8863041?v=glance
($17.50)

Borders is apparently joined with Amazon now.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=2WVP50UY1Z&isbn=074325998X&itm=1
($20.00)

What's the consensus (if there is one) on Amazon, B & N and other bookstores? Any strongly pro- or anti-2nd stores? This is not a hijack attempt; if it's irrelevant to the thread, please ignore it or PM me. I'll delete this Q if someone requests that I do so.
 
What have you heard about For Us the Living? Yours is the first reference I've seen to this upcoming Heinlein book (there's a two-sentence review at the B & N web page). It looks like a Jan., 2004 release date.
What I've heard and what I can verify are two different things.
I've heard:
It is more "profane" (read that as you will ... ) than his other books.
It was his first, or one of his first novels
No one would publish it the first time around because it was too "objectionable". Again, read that as you will.
While not his best book, it is supposed to rate up there.
He destroyed several of his copies of the manuscript, but one was found in a box of stuff that had changed hands several times which has led some to question the authenticity, but I think Virginia says it is real.

Unfortunately, no one will loan me the manuscript to read, so I've got to wait with everyone else.
 
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