alohachris
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Don't Ask Don't Tell has it's advantages. If you need it and use it, losing your job will be the least of your worries.
Parking Garage to Work
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John Locke
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That's not true. An employer cannot ask if you're disabled or not if it's not directly related to the job, and even if it is, they would never ask "is there something wrong with ... [legs, whatever]". To comply with the law, an employer would usually ask "is there anything preventing you from performing the job / is there some reasonable accommodation that we can provide". I sincerely doubt they'd ask about the cane officially (though people might be interested and ask out of curiosity).
mcdonl
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SM has the right idea... get training, change your mindset. Once you build you confidence and ability to defend yourself empty handed you will feel much better about your walk. Perhaps the process of you going through this training will prompt a change in your bosses opinions.
If all else fails I can recommend a cane or my favorite, a walking stick without a crook. A walking stick or cane is OK anywhere, even on a plane, hospital or federal bldg. It is a simple weapon to master and something you can learn on your own. It won't replace awareness and some knowledge that going on the attack may be the best defense. I worked some bad areas where I couldn't carry a firearm, as in DC but learn a cane is great for anyone and learn to let the suspect know you are aware, don't walk with your head down. Look the person in the eye for a sec, don't hold it because it will be taken as a challenge, only long enough to let him know you are aware and ready. Maintain distance and remember use your gut feeling and hit first and hard. Don't play defense. A person on or needing drugs will hurt you for change and forget carrying a "handover" wallet it ain't gonna buy you anything. I learned the hard way and am still in one piece.
rainbowbob
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Ole Coot: The "throw-away" or "hand-over" wallet (or money clip, etc) is accepted by many here as the "gospel" (according to Ayoob).
Could you elaborate on your experience with using that tactic?
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Do not talk to management. If you even imply that you have a gun, HR will find *some* excuse to get you fired. Never, ever tell anyone at your workplace about your gun ownership or experiences, ever... unless you know, 200% that that SINGLE person can be trusted.
Law abiding gun owners are treated like second class citizens in corporate environments.
Law abiding gun owners are treated like second class citizens in corporate environments.
You have nothing to complain about. You knew this going into it and if not well thats to bad you did not do any of your home work. You have accepted the job under those rules and if you dont like it well to bad!!! You can go work some place else
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You have nothing to complain about. You knew this going into it and if not well thats to bad you did not do any of your home work. You have accepted the job under those rules and if you dont like it well to bad!!! You can go work some place else
I disagree. When the company sets policies such as no-weapons, etc, they assume a certain level of accountability. If you are brand-new, you don't want to start rocking the boat too much, but as soon as you are established, you can start turning up the heat with emails to HR (BCC'ing your personal email) as well as your boss. Get a few ladies on-board also (or men if you are a lady). No employer wants to be liable for their employees being injured on the job. If you have minorities in the office, get them to join in. If you are going to carry concealed, tell no one.
Several years ago, I worked for a large corporation whose local office was too cheap to hire security at night until I started letting them know the amount of concerns from female clients and the level of liability that they would face if there was an assault in out parking area. I also hinted that the individual managers might find themselves personally liable. They relented and hired a security firm.
I disagree. When the company sets policies such as no-weapons, etc, they assume a certain level of accountability. If you are brand-new, you don't want to start rocking the boat too much, but as soon as you are established, you can start turning up the heat with emails to HR (BCC'ing your personal email) as well as your boss. Get a few ladies on-board also (or men if you are a lady). No employer wants to be liable for their employees being injured on the job. If you have minorities in the office, get them to join in. If you are going to carry concealed, tell no one.
Several years ago, I worked for a large corporation whose local office was too cheap to hire security at night until I started letting them know the amount of concerns from female clients and the level of liability that they would face if there was an assault in out parking area. I also hinted that the individual managers might find themselves personally liable. They relented and hired a security firm.
Heres my two cents:
You can carry something thats not really a weapon, but could serve as one. Any chance of you being out at night? The 3 cell mag-lite would make a decent defensive weapon. I think they make some 4 or 5 cell lights, if you want that little bit of extra reach. Invent some reason why a tire iron, really big screwdriver, wrench, or cable lock is useful in your office, or start thinking about how a briefcase can be used as a shield. Raid or easy off spray might work. Do you drink coffee? Do you carry a cup of steaming hot java into the office? Could that be thrown in an attackers face?
Another way to go, would be to find a way to carry a gun to work, but not into work. I take it there isn't a nearby building that would rent you a locker, or a really trusted friend that parks near your office, who would let you store a gun in his glovebox while you're in the office, then retrieve it before you walk back to your car?
Probably even less of an option, but if you rode a bike to work you might be able to make it all the way to your building instead of parking a half mile away.
Also, good job with your situational awareness and ability to avoid problems.
You can carry something thats not really a weapon, but could serve as one. Any chance of you being out at night? The 3 cell mag-lite would make a decent defensive weapon. I think they make some 4 or 5 cell lights, if you want that little bit of extra reach. Invent some reason why a tire iron, really big screwdriver, wrench, or cable lock is useful in your office, or start thinking about how a briefcase can be used as a shield. Raid or easy off spray might work. Do you drink coffee? Do you carry a cup of steaming hot java into the office? Could that be thrown in an attackers face?
Another way to go, would be to find a way to carry a gun to work, but not into work. I take it there isn't a nearby building that would rent you a locker, or a really trusted friend that parks near your office, who would let you store a gun in his glovebox while you're in the office, then retrieve it before you walk back to your car?
Probably even less of an option, but if you rode a bike to work you might be able to make it all the way to your building instead of parking a half mile away.
Also, good job with your situational awareness and ability to avoid problems.
MisterMike
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I've been watching this thread with some interest, and I won't offer an opinion on the question of whether to obey or ignore the employer's rules. However, I will offer the opinion that, while I subscribe to the notion that while it's always good to be prepared for a physical confrontation, if the OP truly is as fearful as he indicates, the best option is to change something about his job/parking situation/walk to the job site, etc.
It's a basic tenet of physical security--the last thing you want to face is having to physically defend yourself. You should endeavor to find every possible way to minimize that possibility.
It's a basic tenet of physical security--the last thing you want to face is having to physically defend yourself. You should endeavor to find every possible way to minimize that possibility.
MikeNice
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WB, that is why I said earlier that it "might" be illegal in the OPs case to carry despite the warning in the HR book. That is also why I explicitly mentioned NC. I want people to understand laws vary from state to state. If it illegal in one it may be illegal in another. So, check out the rules before you decide to play.
Every one should consult their local laws if they are less than certain. However, telling some one to deliberately ignore the property owner's rights, without consulting local laws, is dangerous.
Every one should consult their local laws if they are less than certain. However, telling some one to deliberately ignore the property owner's rights, without consulting local laws, is dangerous.
rbernie
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Exactly so.
Some folk have gotten away with suggesting potentially illegal activities in this thread, and some folk have gotten sanctioned behind the scenes for that behavior. Frankly, it's caused a bit of fuss, trying to figure out how to best allow the legal points to be adressed in this thread without also allowing too much contentiousness, chest-beating, or drama. Those folk that caused contentiousness and/or drama had their posts deleted or edited; those folk that did not inject too much drama had their posts retained as a means of getting to this point.
Each of us makes a myriad of decisions on a day to day basis that may fall inside or outside of the law, and each of us is accountable for those decisions. Advocating that anyone else make similar decisions, without also explaining the potential risks involved and making the legal jeopardies perfectly clear, is simply not on The High Road.
We will not do that here.
Dirty Bob
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CTGunner: I'm pretty sure you're already doing this, but it can't hurt to mention. One thing that has helped me a lot has been attitude. I try to always look like I'm confident and know what's going on around me and where I'm going. I never use the cell phone on the street (too distracting), and I don't load up with a bunch of stuff that makes me look slow and vulnerable. I wouldn't carry the massive messenger bags or backpacks that I see so many office people toting, or even worse, the bag on wheels.
Like I said, I'm 90% sure you're doing this stuff, but it never hurts to mention the basics. I see a lot of distracted, over-burdened, or unaware people on the streets. I imagine the predators notice them, too.
BTW, in addition to the cane, I suggest a powerful flashlight. I carry a MagLite 2C -- modified with the insertion of a piece of plastic tubing from the hardware store -- that uses 3 CR123A batteries (cheap, from batterystation.com) and a 6-cell lamp. Very bright, and lighter than it would be with alkalines. Kinda like a mega-kubotan, but it doesn't look like I'm trying to carry a club. No one at work feels threatened by it. There are plenty of smaller, 2-cell lights that would work as pocket sticks and are legal just about everywhere. I've carried flashlights on airplanes and all over Western Europe without a raised eyebrow. No serrated bezels or any of that stuff, though, and my lights aren't super-expensive, so I'm not afraid to carry and use them.
Some good, sturdy writing instruments could also help in a pinch. There are plenty of threads on tactical pens, so I'll leave it there. I do like pencils, as well, though. Very light and fast. An example of one being used much like a prison shank can be seen in the movie Rocknrolla. I've carried writing instruments everywhere with nary a question.
One of the beautiful things about a cane, a light, or a pen/pencil is that they can be in hand when things get ugly. Street people know about these, and you may avoid a conflict by having something in your hand.
BTW, I don't blame anyone for taking a job in this economy. Most of us have to work, and we don't often have multiple positions to choose from.
Regards,
Dirty
Like I said, I'm 90% sure you're doing this stuff, but it never hurts to mention the basics. I see a lot of distracted, over-burdened, or unaware people on the streets. I imagine the predators notice them, too.
BTW, in addition to the cane, I suggest a powerful flashlight. I carry a MagLite 2C -- modified with the insertion of a piece of plastic tubing from the hardware store -- that uses 3 CR123A batteries (cheap, from batterystation.com) and a 6-cell lamp. Very bright, and lighter than it would be with alkalines. Kinda like a mega-kubotan, but it doesn't look like I'm trying to carry a club. No one at work feels threatened by it. There are plenty of smaller, 2-cell lights that would work as pocket sticks and are legal just about everywhere. I've carried flashlights on airplanes and all over Western Europe without a raised eyebrow. No serrated bezels or any of that stuff, though, and my lights aren't super-expensive, so I'm not afraid to carry and use them.
Some good, sturdy writing instruments could also help in a pinch. There are plenty of threads on tactical pens, so I'll leave it there. I do like pencils, as well, though. Very light and fast. An example of one being used much like a prison shank can be seen in the movie Rocknrolla. I've carried writing instruments everywhere with nary a question.
One of the beautiful things about a cane, a light, or a pen/pencil is that they can be in hand when things get ugly. Street people know about these, and you may avoid a conflict by having something in your hand.
BTW, I don't blame anyone for taking a job in this economy. Most of us have to work, and we don't often have multiple positions to choose from.
Regards,
Dirty
You feel quite safe with a cane, and it has been said already, it is in your hand.
My little nod of the head when I catch some ones eye, we both see each other, so being aware, good thing, knowing where to hit? That's good too.
For those of us who have ever banged a shin bone on a chair? Imagine a quick sharp rap with your cane? And that is your set up, attention getting first strike.
You need to practice strikes.
My little nod of the head when I catch some ones eye, we both see each other, so being aware, good thing, knowing where to hit? That's good too.
For those of us who have ever banged a shin bone on a chair? Imagine a quick sharp rap with your cane? And that is your set up, attention getting first strike.
You need to practice strikes.
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