Part time resident permit in PA or NY

[ms0072]

Trying to find out how difficult it is to get a non resident/part time resident pistol permit in PA and NY.
I live in NJ and am looking to buy some recreational property in either PA or NY.
I would really like to make a shooting range on the property if at all possible.
My understanding of the PA law concerning pistol permits is that since I live in NJ I would not be able to get a permit in PA, they will only give non resident permits to people who already have a permit in their home state. Since that is impossible in NJ it appears that I cannot get a pistol permit in PA.

I have heard that in NY state you can get a part time resident permit as long as you are a property owner.

From reading many many posts it seems that alot of people in PA have shooting ranges on their property while I have not seem many posts about people in NYS having shooting ranges.

So -- is anyone here in a similar situation ? Did you find a solution ?

Sorry for the long post but Im hoping someone with similar circumstances will chime in.

 

[RON in PA]

You need a permit to conceal carry in PA, you don't need a permit to possess.

 

[Speedo66]

I don't believe there is a non resident permit in NY. There's barely a resident permit in many parts of the state.

 

[goon]

You don't need a permit to possess anything that's legal in PA or to transport it for any legal purpose.

I don't know if the Utah CCW permit that many people get might help your situation. Utah has reciprocity with a very high number of states.

 

[Sav .250]

I`d suggest you get "facts" rather than opinions on this subject. J s/n.

 

[geim druth]

Check with the county sheriff in PA before buying land.

The Pike County sheriff will only issue permits to a holder of a Pennsylvania drivers license. Owning property and paying taxes in the county are not enough.

Pennsylvania no longer recognizes a Utah permit.

Without a permit, my understanding is that you can open carry in most places outside Philadelphia while walking. When travelling in a vehicle you must transport the firearm cased and unloaded.

 

[jrmiddleton425]

You can, in fact, get a non-resident NYS permit. Link here: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140117/rights-of-part-time-new-york-residents-affirmed

 

[dragon813gt]

You don't need a permit to possess anything that's legal in PA or to transport it for any legal purpose.

Your vehicle is considered concealed carry in PA. You need a CCW to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle. If you don't have one keep it unloaded and you will be fine.

Open carry is legal w/out permit everywhere except Philly and Pittsburgh. I forget the actual terminology but it has something to do w/ "first class cities" so there might be a few more on the list.

Preemption should be going away in PA. This will straighten everything out and make everything the same. The Pike County Sheriff is supposed to follow state law. Which states that they should issues a nonresident permit to anyone that has a CCW from their home state. You can't exactly have a PA drivers license if you are a nonresident.

Here are the guidelines for the county I live in which follows state law: http://www.co.berks.pa.us/Dept/Sheriff/Documents/March 2015 WEB SP4-127.pdf

 

[22-rimfire]

Your vehicle is considered concealed carry in PA. You need a CCW to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle. If you don't have one keep it unloaded and you will be fine.

The loaded firearm inside a vehicle is illegal in many states without a valid/recognized CCW permit.

 

[Steve in PA]

"If you don't have one keep it unloaded and you will be fine.

Open carry is legal w/out permit everywhere except Philly and Pittsburgh. I forget the actual terminology but it has something to do w/ "first class cities" so there might be a few more on the list."

Wrong.

Without a license to carry, the places you can transport an unloaded handgun are very limited. You cannot keep the unloaded firearm in your vehicle and just drive around with it. Back and forth to the range, gunsmith, transporting between home and vacation home are just a few.

Second, the only city of the 1st class in PA is Philly. Pittsburgh is not even close. As such, the only place where you need a license to carry is within Philly. All other parts of the state, including Pittsburgh allow the open carry of a firearm without a license to carry.

 

[goon]

I think it depends on your definition of "Pennsylvania."

Once you get west of about State College and stay about an hour northish of Pittsburgh, you're in mostly rural country. As long as you're not being an unreasonable tool and doing something dangerous, you're probably not going to have trouble with police. That's the area of PA I'm experienced with, but it takes almost seven hours to drive across the state and maybe three hours to drive it north to south. For an eastern state, PA is pretty big, and there are different regions with their own character - some of which are more laid back and some of which are more prone to irrational panic at the sight of a firearm.

 

[dragon813gt]

"If you don't have one keep it unloaded and you will be fine.

Open carry is legal w/out permit everywhere except Philly and Pittsburgh. I forget the actual terminology but it has something to do w/ "first class cities" so there might be a few more on the list."

Wrong.

Without a license to carry, the places you can transport an unloaded handgun are very limited. You cannot keep the unloaded firearm in your vehicle and just drive around with it. Back and forth to the range, gunsmith, transporting between home and vacation home are just a few.

Second, the only city of the 1st class in PA is Philly. Pittsburgh is not even close. As such, the only place where you need a license to carry is within Philly. All other parts of the state, including Pittsburgh allow the open carry of a firearm without a license to carry.

Thanks for the correction on the first class cities part. I live outside Philly so I honestly don't pay attention to anything west of Harrisburg.

Now the part about transporting an unloaded firearm. How are you supposed to transport a firearm for open carry self defense if you can't have in your car unloaded at all times? I did just this from 18 to 21. The whole vehicle as concealment needs to go away but that's another debate.