Pedersoli-Remington Custom Target revolver?

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I was looking around for a Remington 1858 revolver. I knew that both Uberti and Pietta made one but was surprised that Pedersoli did as well Although it seems to be a an order of magnitude above the other two as they go for upwards of a grand or so.

I've seen them in the Pedersoli catalog and on some YouTube videos but no where else. I understand that they're a special order item so none of the usual black powder haunts have them in stock.

Does anyone have one of these? Or have some experience with one?
 
I don't have one, too pricey for a c&b revolver for me. Why do you want a Pedersoli when there are other, more commonly available ones from Uberti and Pietta?
 
I borrowed one at the 2002 World Championships. I thought it could use a crisper trigger, but it was otherwise comparable to a Hege. Good accuracy, all chambers properly aligned, etc.
 
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Probably because a Pedersoli would typically be a better made gun.
So, a slightly better made gun makes it worth double a good quality Uberti/Pietta would be?

I can understand choosing a S&W over a Taurus or even a Ruger, but we're talking cap and ball revolvers here. The accuracy isn't going to increase drastically and if the concern is the quality of steel, I'll point you to plenty of 150+ year old originals that still shoot today made of steel that would make Henry Bessemer cry.

If the point is to have a range gun that you can show off as a one upper, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell to you.
 
I believe the Pedersoli gun is purpose made for target shooting competition. It does have some nice features, and is made for those wanting top accuracy for MLAIC matches and so on.
 
He may want to get into competition shooting with the various black powder shooting associations out there such as the NMLRA or the N-SSA. The price is steep but its a bargain compared to a used FWB (Feinwerkbau) or a new Hege Remington or Rogers & Spencer.

The Pedersoli Remington always struggled in competition against the Pietta built 'Shooters' Remington, and now they have competition with the newer Uberti target model.

http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/hand...rap-with-brass-trigger-guard-model-430ct.html


Although competition wise I haven't heard to much success from the new Uberti 'Target' Remington.
 
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My mistake, there are 2 Pietta 'Match Grade' Remingtons, the 'Target' and the 'Shooters Model' Its the 'Shooters' model that the Pedersoli struggles against not the 'Target' model. Back in the 80's I bought a Pietta Remington 'Target' Model from Navy Arms and I'll say it had good accuracy.

But that Pietta 'Shooters' Model is a whole nuther ballgame or so they say. That Remington is in the stratosphere when it comes to accuracy.




Pietta Remington New Model Army Target Revolver

N/SSA approved. Has two piece grips with a European walnut stock. Frame is blued steel and barrel is a .44 caliber, blued, 8" tapered octagon. 1 in 30" twist. Features brass triggerguard, color casehardened trigger and hammer. Front sight is a blued steel, ramp style w/blade and rear sight is open style, adjustable for windage and elevation.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=3512


Pietta Remington Army "Shooters" Revolver

This Remington, with its progressive rifling, won the gold medals in the World Muzzleloading Championships in Toronto in 1987 and in Pforzheim (W. Germany) in 1989. Has 2 piece European walnut grips with a satin finish.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=4098


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So, a slightly better made gun makes it worth double a good quality Uberti/Pietta would be?
Let's be realistic, the average Pietta or Uberti is not very expensive at all. So double is not exactly astronomical.

How do you know they're only "slightly better"?


The accuracy isn't going to increase drastically...
How do you know that?


...and if the concern is the quality of steel, I'll point you to plenty of 150+ year old originals that still shoot today made of steel that would make Henry Bessemer cry.
What the originals are capable of is irrelevant and there is much to be said of a sixgun made of better steels than your average percussion gun.


If the point is to have a range gun that you can show off as a one upper, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell to you.
Now we've come full circle to include a bit of proletentiousness. Considering your utter lack of experience, I'll rely on my own for making decisions about what is and isn't it "worth it". Having 9 Ubertis, 8 Piettas along with many Colt's, USFA's, Rugers, S&W's, etc., I'm in a fair position to make a proper judgement and it doesn't have a thing to do with showing off at the range. Personally, I wouldn't pay that much for a percussion gun but I'd pay a good bit more for a cartridge conversion that was of higher quality than your average Uberti or Pietta.
 
proletentiousness.

:eek:

That's the hardest word I've read all day. Not sure what that one means, but it's giving me a headache just trying to pronounce it!!

From what I've heard and read, the Pedersoli 1858s are tops for target shooting. Look up the Capandball YouTube channel as he has a video or two about these guns.
 
I don't know about that, the Hege by FWB still rules the roost. The Pedersoli may be gaining as more and more of them are being used in competition but there is still the Pietta which does extremely well also.
 
well my wife says you pay for quality and she says we should save to buy that pedersoli 1858 Remington as she watched the video and liked the way this $1k pistol performed!! so who knows I may own it someday!! :)
 
There is a lot of options out there now for revolvers that can perform to that level. You have the Pedersoli, 2 different 'Match Grade' target models from Pietta, the Uberti target model and the Hege-Uberti and the Hege FWB.

These revolvers can attain a level of accuracy that is not only useful in all of the competitive matches, remember some organizations like the N/SSA still have to approve the revolver before it can be entered into their matches, but that level of accuracy is also useful and needed in hunting as well.

So lets say a guy is thinking I want a percussion revolver and I want to compete in all sorts of different matches and events plus I want to use it for hunting. One of these Remingtons would be the ticket for that.
 
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I received this from Pedersoli after I wrote them...

"We haven't delivered to Remington Custon revolver to USA yet, but you can order it through:"

Then they gave me the details of where and how to order it.

Retail is about $950.00 which is not at all out of line for a quality revolver. Assuming the quality and the metallurgy is the same as a higher end smokeless model, the price is justifiable.
 
Let's be realistic, the average Pietta or Uberti is not very expensive at all. So double is not exactly astronomical.
I'm talking the price range about $250-350 for a target model with adjustable sights. Not sure what the Pedersoli is, but if the TC is correct that they are $1000 or thereabouts then I can't see any reason to pay 3-4 times the price of Pietta/Uberti.

How do you know they're only "slightly better"?
Because I've read enough accounts of users that their Pietta's/Uberti's have lasted them decades and shoot great. Of course, a c&b is only going to last as well as you take care of it and clean it.



How do you know that?
Because these guns are shooting black powder. Even with Swiss, the powder is itself not as good or as accurate as smokeless powders. From 25 yards, the differences will be marginal.


Now we've come full circle to include a bit of proletentiousness. Considering your utter lack of experience, I'll rely on my own for making decisions about what is and isn't it "worth it". Having 9 Ubertis, 8 Piettas along with many Colt's, USFA's, Rugers, S&W's, etc., I'm in a fair position to make a proper judgement and it doesn't have a thing to do with showing off at the range. Personally, I wouldn't pay that much for a percussion gun but I'd pay a good bit more for a cartridge conversion that was of higher quality than your average Uberti or Pietta.
My experience aside, I see no reason why the TC won't give the Pietta or Uberti target guns a chance when it seems he has the capital to fund a purchase of a Pedersoli and why you see to believe you're the supreme judge that you can proclaim a Pedersoli 1858 is better without having ever owned one. I will apologize if it is not the TC's intention to just buy the most expensive 1858 he can find to show off; if there's anything I assumed here, it was the TC's intentions.

And I believe the word you were looking for was pretentiousness.

To finish this squabble, I suggest if the TC wants the best and doesn't care about money, then by all means he should get the Pedersoli. If however, he is cautious about his money, which people should be because it's sinful imo to be wasteful, he should look around locally for target Pietta or Uberti's and actually feel them and shoot them. If after that he still doesn't like them, he can resell them very quickly and easily unlike a Pedersoli, for which the customer base is clearly very small since it is apparently a special order, and he can use the funds from the resale and what's left of what he had put aside to get the Pedersoli and get the Pedersoli.
 
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The Pedersoli is meant to come from the factory as a match grade firearm, the Uberti is not. I suspect the Pedersoli is an improved Uberti.

If Pedersoli puts the firearm through a more stringent quality control than the original manufacturer and tunes the firearm for competition, than there is value added that should be paid for. I think Pedersoli mentions they do some additional bore work as well to offer more accuracy

$950 does not sound like a bad price if it is true to the offering of a match grade firearm.

It would be nice to see a comparison of an Uberti or Pietta and the Pedersoli from a "what's been done to the Pedersoli over a Pietta or Ubderti" and an out of the box target shooting comparison.
 
The NMLRA and the N/SSA have a bunch of matches and events featuring these revolvers. D Buck as a member and involved in these event, far more than I am, for the NMLRA will correct me if I'm wrong but these various 'Match Grade' Remingtons go at it all the time.

As a member of the NMLRA their Muzzleblast magazine does a whole spread on these shooting events and I'll keep my eyes open to see if they list what the winners were shooting. Or I'll make some phone calls to find out what revolver they were using.

But the undisputed king of these 'Match Grade' revolvers is the Hege built by FWB. Why, because they win. And as Joe Namath once said, "the winner doesn't have to come up with any excuses why they didn't win."
 
I'm talking the price range about $250-350 for a target model with adjustable sights. Not sure what the Pedersoli is, but if the TC is correct that they are $1000 or thereabouts then I can't see any reason to pay 3-4 times the price of Pietta/Uberti.
In other words you're guessing. Just because YOU can't see any reason doesn't mean reasons don't exist.

TC???


Because I've read enough accounts of users that their Pietta's/Uberti's have lasted them decades and shoot great. Of course, a c&b is only going to last as well as you take care of it and clean it.
Longevity is the only measure of what is "better"? "I've read accounts..." is a long way from having your own. My oldest Uberti was bought brand new in 1986 and ithas been flawless. However, that does not mean that "better" guns do not exist.


Because these guns are shooting black powder. Even with Swiss, the powder is itself not as good or as accurate as smokeless powders. From 25 yards, the differences will be marginal.
Interesting, baseless theory. Easily disproved by the fact that folks are shooting these upgraded match guns in matches and not standard Uberti or Pietta guns.


My experience aside...
That would be convenient. Because your experience is decidedly lacking, yet you speak with authority as if YOU are the last word. You have a lot to learn and your demeanor should reflect that.


I see no reason why the TC won't give the Pietta or Uberti target guns a chance when it seems he has the capital to fund a purchase of a Pedersoli
Because it seems, like other folks hereabouts, he wants to pay more for a better gun.
"Although it seems to be a an order of magnitude above the other two as they go for upwards of a grand or so."


...why you see to believe you're the supreme judge that you can proclaim a Pedersoli 1858 is better without having ever owned one.
I don't have to own every model Pedersoli ever produced to know that on average, they are measurably better than other Italian replicas. Most folks would tend to agree.


And I believe the word you were looking for was pretentiousness.
No junior, I used the word I was "looking for". Proletentiousness is a sort of twisted reverse form of snobbery. To be a snob about things that are less expensive. To be a snob about your proletariat background. To turn your nose up at those who may afford more expensive possessions. Be it guns, cars, boats, motorcycles, homes, clothes, jewelry, etc.. The need to believe that people pay more just for a name or only to show off. That you have somehow got the leg up on them and make the wiser choice. Which brings me to my question for you, why are you getting so defensive at the suggestion that a Pedersoli is a better made gun than a Uberti or Pietta? I have 17 guns between the two makers and I'm the one who made the suggestion. :rolleyes:


I suggest if the TC wants the best and doesn't care about money, then by all means he should get the Pedersoli.
So anyone who spends more than you doesn't care about money? Grasshopper, you have a lot to learn. You need to do a lot more reading and a lot less posting.

I have $1150 in this Uberti Dragoon:
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And about $2200 in this Cimarron Open Top:
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Do you really want to continue this conversation with the silly notion that I wasted money? Or do you want to let the folks who own the money, decide how best to spend it?
 
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