Pedersoli-Remington Custom Target revolver?

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And if you watched the video you would see the difference. A matte finish for less glare, a 1-19" twist match grade barrel, forged frame and chambers that match the bore size. Just looking at how the hammer is fitted to the hammer well is a clear indication that this is a much better made gun than your run of the mill Pietta or Uberti.
 
I have around $1,000 dollars in my 1860 Army repro.

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CraigC takes better pictures than me. :eek:
 
What is the different refiling twist, 32:1 ,16:1 or progressive (gain twist).
Shooting round balls I would think the progressive would be best, if you want a conversion the 16:1.
I would pay what is needed for the type of shooting you intend to do.
If your going to hang it on the wall and brag about it get a gold plated something!
 
In other words you're guessing. Just because YOU can't see any reason doesn't mean reasons don't exist.

TC???
If the cost is 3-4 times that of target Pietta/Uberti's then the gun should have groupings 3-4 times closer, should last 3-4 times longer, and should basically be 3-4 times better a gun.



Longevity is the only measure of what is "better"? "I've read accounts..." is a long way from having your own. My oldest Uberti was bought brand new in 1986 and it has been flawless. However, that does not mean that "better" guns do not exist.
yup.



Interesting, baseless theory. Easily disproved by the fact that folks are shooting these upgraded match guns in matches and not standard Uberti or Pietta guns.
I'll take you up on that. How bout we have a competition: you shoot a Pedersoli 1858 and I'll shoot a Heritage .45. We'll start by shooting 100 rounds through each and then without any cleaning, we'll start the target competition. We'll see if your theory holds up then.



That would be convenient. Because your experience is decidedly lacking, yet you speak with authority as if YOU are the last word. You have a lot to learn and your demeanor should reflect that.
No, I'm not the last word, I'm just talking common sense, but most people don't have that anymore.



Because it seems, like other folks hereabouts, he wants to pay more for a better gun.
"Although it seems to be a an order of magnitude above the other two as they go for upwards of a grand or so."
Pedersoli makes great guns, they have a few rifles that I'd love to get myself, but their revolvers leave me thinking they're not worth it. Of course, worth is a subjective matter and what I don't know is what the guy intends to do with the gun.



I don't have to own every model Pedersoli ever produced to know that on average, they are measurably better than other Italian replicas. Most folks would tend to agree.
No argument here, but what I question is the result that a Pedersoli will get you over another gun.



No junior, I used the word I was "looking for". Proletentiousness is a sort of twisted reverse form of snobbery. To be a snob about things that are less expensive. To be a snob about your proletariat background. To turn your nose up at those who may afford more expensive possessions. Be it guns, cars, boats, motorcycles, homes, clothes, jewelry, etc.. The need to believe that people pay more just for a name or only to show off. That you have somehow got the leg up on them and make the wiser choice. Which brings me to my question for you, why are you getting so defensive at the suggestion that a Pedersoli is a better made gun than a Uberti or Pietta? I have 17 guns between the two makers and I'm the one who made the suggestion. :rolleyes:
I'll let you revel in this long and rambling statement that shows you have too much time on your hands.



So anyone who spends more than you doesn't care about money?
Where did I say that?
 
Pedersoli

Personally, I am very interested in the Pedersoli, and see the value if Pedersoli puts the work into the firearm that it looks like they do.

I could easily spend as much trying to get an Uberti up to the quality of the Pedersoli, especially if the bores are manufactured to different standards.

When my grandfather bought a match grade 22 Victor High Standard in the 60's, it came with a target the factory shot a number of rounds at with his firearm to demonstrate it's accuracy as delivered. I wonder if Pedersoli does this to make sure the buyer knows what the revolver is capable of out of the box.

I have a number of new Uberti's that I have not shot yet and I would not call one of them "shootable" out of the box, without certain aspects of the accuracy or components deteriorating quickly. Not even my 1858. Based on videos I've seen, I strongly suspect the Pedersoli is "shootable" with a high degree of accuracy out of the box.
 
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Truth tellers,
I appreciate the complement (earlier in the post) but I think you would get more out of these discussions if you would take the time to understand what these experienced folks are trying to enlighten you on.
Unfortunately your understanding of how much spent = how much more one gets is a little off. Just as with cars, twice the price won't necessarily get you twice as fast (or quick, or response, or braking ) or anything else. And, the closer you get to the "top" or the "best" it gets quite a bit more expensive and that is the difference between the "run of the mill" vs "top of the line". That's why most everything in the competitive world is " high dollar " to have or be the best. Ever priced fly rods? Entry grade vs top of the line ? Low end BMW, Mercedes, Porsche vs high end of the same? (Woulda said Chevy or Ford but why bother! . . . . JUST KIDDING!!!!! LIGHTEN UP!!!!! LOL!!).

Theres a reason and why one pays the "price of admission" . . . it costs to have the best!! (And there's nothing wrong with having OR wanting the best!!!)

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks
 
If the cost is 3-4 times that of target Pietta/Uberti's then the gun should have groupings 3-4 times closer, should last 3-4 times longer, and should basically be 3-4 times better a gun.
Doesn't work that way. Anyone with much experience would know this. The kid who has done nothing but drive and tinker with go-carts has little business passing judgement on what makes a good road car.


Then you are inexperienced and short-sighted.


I'll take you up on that. How bout we have a competition: you shoot a Pedersoli 1858 and I'll shoot a Heritage .45. We'll start by shooting 100 rounds through each and then without any cleaning, we'll start the target competition. We'll see if your theory holds up then.
Is that how blackpowder competitions are done? What does a Heritage cartridge gun have to do with it? I suppose you'd get equally bent out of shape if I suggest that Colt and USFA SAA's are significantly better guns than your Heriage???

Buy me a Pedersoli 1858 and you're on!


No, I'm not the last word, I'm just talking common sense, but most people don't have that anymore.
Your logic is seriously flawed and not based in reality. Common sense indeed.


Pedersoli makes great guns, they have a few rifles that I'd love to get myself, but their revolvers leave me thinking they're not worth it. Of course, worth is a subjective matter and what I don't know is what the guy intends to do with the gun.
It really doesn't matter what you think, because you have no experience to support it. Only very obviously uninformed opinion.


I'll let you revel in this long and rambling statement that shows you have too much time on your hands.
I already figured that was a waste of time. You already know everything. :rolleyes:


Where did I say that?
That's exactly what you implied with your statement that I quoted. Typical of the type I was referring to in the paragraph you ignored.


And if you watched the video you would see the difference. A matte finish for less glare, a 1-19" twist match grade barrel, forged frame and chambers that match the bore size. Just looking at how the hammer is fitted to the hammer well is a clear indication that this is a much better made gun than your run of the mill Pietta or Uberti.
I also see that you conveniently ignored the observations made in this post. ^^^
 
My Uberti 1858 was shootable right out of the box, provided you took a file with you to the range to fix elevation. The only issue is that I had to use a drill to disassemble it for the first time because the trigger guard screw would not budge at all, so I had to replace the screw and rethread the hole. After this, no complaints. Chambers all of same diameter and same diameter as the bore, align properly to the bore, cylinder gap is minimal and uniform, shoots well. The only modification which I see could improve the function is slightly chamfering the chambers, but it's not in the "must do" cathegory.

However, some guys did not buy theirs in such good condition, so I guess I had luck to get a good one (bar the overtorqued screw). People do say that they've improved the quality in the last 10 years. It's a really good gun for the price. Of course, if you got a lemon you might disagree and that's fair enough.

The Pedersoli comes with better QC, a progressive twist rate barrel (Uberti is a 1:19 constant twist), matte finish, and a slightly tweaked grip (touch wider). Is this worth the extra cash? Well, if you shoot in MLAIC competition seriously, the answer is yes. Hege-Uberti is similarly priced (at least in the EU), basically an accurized Uberti with a different barrel, and is also used in MLAIC competition.

Ubertis and Piettas are not inaccurate guns (once any problems found are fixed) by any means; it's just that putting rounds consistently in that damn small 10 ring at 25 metres (27 yards) using your classic fixed sights simply isn't easy and if you are so invested in the sport in terms of time, you'll treat yourself to a match grade gun, too. The typical scores of winners are around 97/100 or so. Not suprising, the scores of people shooting originals (there's a specific cathegory for that, ironically called Colt although most top scorers shoot Remingtons) are generally worse then scores of people shooting modern match grade reproductions.
 
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Having said that, the scores being shot with originals are quite high....as in 1 point difference between the gold medal scores for repro and original at the World Championship level.

The hard part being that the winning scores are in the 97-98/100 range.
 
proletentiousness

Per CraigC

Now we've come full circle to include a bit of proletentiousness. Considering your utter lack of experience, I'll rely on my own for making decisions about what is and isn't it "worth it". Having 9 Ubertis, 8 Piettas along with many Colt's, USFA's, Rugers, S&W's, etc., I'm in a fair position to make a proper judgement and it doesn't have a thing to do with showing off at the range. Personally, I wouldn't pay that much for a percussion gun but I'd pay a good bit more for a cartridge conversion that was of higher quality than your average Uberti or Pietta.

Well, that word was a new one on me but then, again, I don't got no collidge.

The word is a derivative/extension of the word "proletensious"; I think it is derived from some highbrow stories:

"Absolutely! I took it home and polished it and this beautiful gold was underneath the dust." Mrs. Harlem Menorah was still basking in the unpretentious 'call it "proletentious"' glory of finding an antique menorah hiding in the likes of a "hardly approachable," as she would put it, East Harlem second-hand store. The story went that Elaine was driving on the FDR Drive when her engine started to overheat. In an effort to avert disaster on the shoulder-less FDR, she exited hastily at 125th Street and found a "cultural outlet" she never knew existed. To most, that cultural outlet was Harlem; to Elaine, it was Jewish mementoes left behind during some biblical emigration to the suburbs.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cjas/feb_allen.html

This is just about the only instance in which I have come across this word.

It may be in CraigC 's vocabularly, and I would surely love for him to point out what dictionary defines this word, so as I may fully understand.

Thanks in advance.

Jim
 
Truth tellers,
I appreciate the complement (earlier in the post) but I think you would get more out of these discussions if you would take the time to understand what these experienced folks are trying to enlighten you on.
Unfortunately your understanding of how much spent = how much more one gets is a little off. Just as with cars, twice the price won't necessarily get you twice as fast (or quick, or response, or braking ) or anything else. And, the closer you get to the "top" or the "best" it gets quite a bit more expensive and that is the difference between the "run of the mill" vs "top of the line". That's why most everything in the competitive world is " high dollar " to have or be the best. Ever priced fly rods? Entry grade vs top of the line ? Low end BMW, Mercedes, Porsche vs high end of the same? (Woulda said Chevy or Ford but why bother! . . . . JUST KIDDING!!!!! LIGHTEN UP!!!!! LOL!!).

Theres a reason and why one pays the "price of admission" . . . it costs to have the best!! (And there's nothing wrong with having OR wanting the best!!!)

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks
You put this in a much better way than others have in this thread and in the case of competition, you need top of the line to compete. I don't disagree, but who's to say what is the best to compete with or that one will better compete with what people perceive to be the best?

And my point about how value works with money spent, my point is one can spend however many times more, but one generally only gets a marginal increase in what they're looking for.
 
Thanks TT,
On your next to last point - what seems to be the "winning combination" is generally what is needed as far as tools needed. The rest is what YOU can do with it. Not everyone can drive a formula one car.

As far as your last point - I agree!! People get much more from me than anywhere else!!! Always more than they expected!! (That's the way it's supposed to be!!)

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks
 
I still think the OP should get either a Pietta or Uberti and send it to Goons Gun Works. The end result will be a gun probably the equal of the Pedersoli.
 
Hey there Cooldill!!!
Thanks for the shout out!! Guess what? Your revolver has a new bolt! Everything is updated.
Thank you for your business!

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks
 
To this discussion about 'Match Grade' revolvers we would have to add the Euroarms Remington with Lothar Walther target barrels and the Hege Rogers & Spencer revolvers that are currently in various matches.

This is where these revolvers excel, the precise indexing between barrel and the chambers, the trueing of the barrels rifling, the precise cutting of the lands and grooves of the barrel, this is why these revolvers are used in competitions.
 
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Some know the cost of everything and the value of nothing

It's not about what it costs. It's about what it's worth.
 
It's not about what it costs. It's about what it's worth.

I use my run of the mill 1860 Army repro a good 6 or 7 months out of the year just between range work and hunting. If I were to compete I would use it all year long so if that is what you intention is, range work, hunting and compettion then yea get it. That price is negligible compared to how much time you put in using these revolvers.
 
I was just looking around the Hege shop to see what's on sale. They offer a Uberti built to Hege specifications with a Lothar-Walther match grade barrel for 688 Euros. That's not a bad deal for a match grade gun. Now I'm itching for it together with two holsters and a belt.

Damnit :)
 
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