rangerruck
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if you have good enough eyesite, as I do, you split that pumkin on the post, in half,top half/bottom half, with your front post.
Peep Sights. Can you Recommend them?
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SwampWolf
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As others have noted, when using a peep (receiver) sight, just remember to not try wasting time centering the front sight with the rear aperture. Your eye will do the "centering" automatically-the biggest reason receiver sights are so much faster than conventional irons.
krs
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And.there's no reason to stay with a front post. There are many different configurations and sizes of front sight setups that can be chosen or changed as conditions or preferences change. There are posts in all kinds of shapes and sizes, posts with target dots on top of super slender posts, many different sizes of circles. I've got one rifle that I like to shoot using a fine wire crosshatch pattern front sight, another with the tiniest 1/4 minute post that enables placing shots on one side of an x-ring or the other, up or down just so that x-ring doesn't get too crowded by one hole groups of shots. Saves the walk to change targets.
Get a Lyman 17a and then shop a place like Badger Arms for front sight inserts that are a marvel of electric discharge machining. All of the fine old target inserts used during the heyday of rifle marksmanship are being replicated at very reasonable prices.
Get a Lyman 17a and then shop a place like Badger Arms for front sight inserts that are a marvel of electric discharge machining. All of the fine old target inserts used during the heyday of rifle marksmanship are being replicated at very reasonable prices.
ShakyJake
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I have put the Skinner sight using the dovetail on my Ted Williams 100 (Win M94) and found it to be quite effective.
+1 to SwampWolf that the most effective use involves quickness. I realized that as soon as I was aligned, squeeze. Don't hesitate or you will start 2nd guessing go off target. Use 3 Skinners now, two on the dovetail.
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+1 to SwampWolf that the most effective use involves quickness. I realized that as soon as I was aligned, squeeze. Don't hesitate or you will start 2nd guessing go off target. Use 3 Skinners now, two on the dovetail.
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tactikel
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With young eyes a good peep can be incredibly accurate. My '03-A3 with the issue sights will shoot 1/2" groups at 50 yards (and I wear trifocals!)- my .223 with a red dot will shoot 1-2 inches at 50 yards!
The "pinhole" effect is real and can allow old eyes to perform like ones decades younger.- simple, cheap, accurate, and fast to use, makes them a great choice for a short/medium range hunting rifle.
The "pinhole" effect is real and can allow old eyes to perform like ones decades younger.
- simple, cheap, accurate, and fast to use, makes them a great choice for a short/medium range hunting rifle.
I have hunted deer successfully with iron sights. I have hunted deer successfully with scopes. A scope is better in low light conditions. An iron sighted rifle is a lot handier.
I have installed a Lyman 48 on my pre 64 M70 in 270 Win. It is a joy to carry. Lightweight, handy, and though I am not going to drop it, irons are very rugged.
On target accuracy for either of these rifles is about the same. The sights are not the limiting factor.
I have installed a Lyman 48 on my pre 64 M70 in 270 Win. It is a joy to carry. Lightweight, handy, and though I am not going to drop it, irons are very rugged.
On target accuracy for either of these rifles is about the same. The sights are not the limiting factor.
flusher
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When using a Skinner on a 1968 39A, do you have to change the front factory sight?
If you want to try peep sights on a budget I would look at the Savage Mk II FVT. It comes with a Williams rear aperture and a lyman 93 front globe along with I think 10 front inserts, both globes and posts of different sizes. Mine has been very accurate and a blast to shoot. I have learned a lot practicing with it. My local club shoots a 50 foot 3 position rimfire match. It is open to any optics. I like to use the FVT. I may not win but I feel good about the scores I shoot. This got me in the door dirt cheap. Not going to hang with the Anschutz crowd, but for the price it lets me work on positions well enough.
toivo
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It's also why people can see better when they squint.
I love peep sights. I have a bunch of .22 rimfires with peeps--the Savage FVT that benzy2 mentioned, a couple of older Mossbergs, a Marlin 795 with Tech Sights, and a Brno set-up on a CZ 452 Trainer. Williams rear sights also work well with the stock front sights on CZs.
flusher
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Ive read enought that my tired old eyes want a Peep Sight for my 1978 39A., pistol grip.
Now for some questions
My gun came with a folding rear sight. Do I need to remove it?
Do I have to change the hooded front sight?
Can the existing receiver screw holes be used to mount the peep sight, either on top or on the left side?
What hole diameter for the aperture ?
What brand is recommended?
Now for some questions
My gun came with a folding rear sight. Do I need to remove it?
Do I have to change the hooded front sight?
Can the existing receiver screw holes be used to mount the peep sight, either on top or on the left side?
What hole diameter for the aperture ?
What brand is recommended?
RedAlert
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I installed a set of Ghost Ring sights on my Sig 229, with tritium inserts. I've been very pleased with them and they have helped me in attaining proper sight picture. The only possible sight system I might use to replace the ghost ring is the XS Big Dot Express sight.
At any range I anticipate I would engage a target with my weapon, I'll be close enough that the "coarseness" of the rear sight won't be a problem at all.
Here is the system I have:
http://www.entreprise.com/sigo.htm
Ralph
At any range I anticipate I would engage a target with my weapon, I'll be close enough that the "coarseness" of the rear sight won't be a problem at all.
Here is the system I have:
http://www.entreprise.com/sigo.htm
Ralph
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flusher
I put a Skinner sight on my 39A. It works perfectly with the stock hooded front sight. It mounts on the receiver using the tapped holes that are intended for a scope mount.
I left my folding rear sight on the gun, and I did my preliminary "get it on paper" sighting in by co-witnessing with it. Then I lowered it and folded it down. You don't ever need to remove it if you don't want to.
I have a standard .096" aperture, and I got an additional .50" aperture. The .050" does darken the image, and the groups I got with the .096" are about what I can get with a scope. Still, I wanted a "target" aperture, which I can use when it's sunny outside.
The Skinners don't protrude off the side of the gun, which is one reason I like them.
http://skinnersights.com/2.html
I put a Skinner sight on my 39A. It works perfectly with the stock hooded front sight. It mounts on the receiver using the tapped holes that are intended for a scope mount.
I left my folding rear sight on the gun, and I did my preliminary "get it on paper" sighting in by co-witnessing with it. Then I lowered it and folded it down. You don't ever need to remove it if you don't want to.
I have a standard .096" aperture, and I got an additional .50" aperture. The .050" does darken the image, and the groups I got with the .096" are about what I can get with a scope. Still, I wanted a "target" aperture, which I can use when it's sunny outside.
The Skinners don't protrude off the side of the gun, which is one reason I like them.
http://skinnersights.com/2.html
My Lyman receiver sight does protrude off of the side of the gun, but it does allow me to adjust it for long range shots once I learned the sight. And then back to 25 yards quickly and easily.
I guess it depends what range you anticipate shooting at.
The Skinner is a slick looking setup.
The Skinner will also adjust easily for drop, since you can count the spins of the peep sight in the threaded base.
That said, .22 isn't good for much past 100 yards, and I have guns for that, like a .22 AR with A2 sights that adjust for elevation with a knob.
That said, .22 isn't good for much past 100 yards, and I have guns for that, like a .22 AR with A2 sights that adjust for elevation with a knob.
It really depends on the rifle and sights. I have a CZ 452 Lux that I routinely shoot out to 200 yards. Really it's all about reading the wind.
I'll freely admit that this is just plinking, not hunting. I have a .223 for hunting at that range.
SwampWolf
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No-though most people remove it and install a filler blank- mostly because it looks better that way.
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Your choice-they come with different screw on apertures. I like to use receiver sights for hunting with the apertures removed. Too coarse (without the aperture) for fine target shooting but fast for picking up a quick sight picture when hunting, yet still accurate enough for deer hunting. If you're after squirrels or other small game, an aperture with a wider opening might work better.
I prefer Williams. Many like the Lyman. Both are good.
Yes-either way, depending on the rifle. The Williams 5D is mounted on the side of my Marlin Model 39 using factory drilled/threaded holes.
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iamkris's post (#7) with the graphics was great and shows exactly what we were trained to do in the Marines, with a couple small additions. We were trained to mechanically adjust the sights so that they lined up on the center (rather than bottom) of the target. The center mass sight picture is better for tactical applications, but from what I've heard the "lollypop stick" sight picture depicted in the graphic is preferable for shooting round targets at a known distance.
The only other thing is that your focus should be so intent on the front sight post that both the target and the rear sight aperture are blurry. Imagine that in the graphic the front sight post is crystal clear, but the target is fuzzy and the rear sight aperture is fuzzy. It feels very unnatural shooting with a sight picture like that, and if there wasn't a PMI in boot camp shouting at us to do that I never would have. Lo and behold it worked, and 95% of the time my shots would hit a silhouette target at 500 yards from the prone with nothing more than a sling, iron aperture sights, a crappy worn out M-16, and the fear that if I didn't qualify I got to spend an extra 3 weeks in boot camp.
If you're shooting irons, aperture sights are the only way to go.
The only other thing is that your focus should be so intent on the front sight post that both the target and the rear sight aperture are blurry. Imagine that in the graphic the front sight post is crystal clear, but the target is fuzzy and the rear sight aperture is fuzzy. It feels very unnatural shooting with a sight picture like that, and if there wasn't a PMI in boot camp shouting at us to do that I never would have. Lo and behold it worked, and 95% of the time my shots would hit a silhouette target at 500 yards from the prone with nothing more than a sling, iron aperture sights, a crappy worn out M-16, and the fear that if I didn't qualify I got to spend an extra 3 weeks in boot camp.
If you're shooting irons, aperture sights are the only way to go.
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