Pennsylvania No Longer Honors Utah!!!

[Gary Slider]

The PA Attorney General has removed Utah as a state it honors. I do not know the reason why. Sometime earlier today 5/11/14 the PA AG site listing who PA honors was updated. Utah was removed from the list of state PA granted statutory reciprocity without a formal written agreement under 6106(b)(15) and placed it under the heading where PA residents could apply for a permit to carry in Utah. That means they no longer honor Utah. You can see it for yourself Here: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184
Posting this as PA has signed new agreements with Arizona, Virginia and Florida stating they will no longer honor those states Non-Resident permits. Many were getting a Utah permit to continue carrying in PA and now that permit is no longer valid in PA.

www.handgunlaw.us has been updated to show this change in who honors who.

 

[Doc7]

OMG.

Friggin just got the permit 3 weeks ago.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Non resident classes?....

Did the PA AG/AG's office change these agreements due to the high number of private citizens nationwide who were taking Utah non-resident concealed classes?
I've heard & read that Utah non resident CCWs were once valid in approx 37 states.
Maybe some anti-gun AGs or gun "safety" activists pressured the states to change the Utah license SOPs/agreements.

Rusty
PS; I may return to the Keystone state soon so I guess it's no more OCs.

 

[Doc7]

You should still be able to OC - as long as you unload and stow while in a vehicle - and stay out of Philly...

 

[RustyShackelford]

Read...

I just read the Handgunlaw.us posts. I'm still good.
I get non resident & resident(CCW) mixed up sometimes.

 

[Tom488]

You should still be able to OC - as long as you unload and stow while in a vehicle - and stay out of Philly...

The problem lies in vehicle transport. Unless you plan on walking across the border, and walking while inside PA, transport of a firearm in a vehicle (even unloaded), without a PA LTCF or recognized reciprocal permit, is limited.

 

[BullfrogKen]

PA elected a Democrat Atty General this last election, and she's just doing what she said she would.

Philly has been making it damned nigh impossible for its residents to get their PA LTC for years. So what the residents of the city have been doing is getting a Utah permit and using that (or FL, or any other state PA used to recognize) to carry with.

I'm not sure if it applies to just PA residents who try to carry on a UT permit, or anyone and everyone. I haven't read what she put out yet.

 

[BenFoo]

PA elected a Democrat Atty General this last election, and she's just doing what she said she would.

Philly has been making it damned nigh impossible for its residents to get their PA LTC for years. So what the residents of the city have been doing is getting a Utah permit and using that (or FL, or any other state PA used to recognize) to carry with.

I'm not sure if it applies to just PA residents who try to carry on a UT permit, or anyone and everyone. I haven't read what she put out yet.

Correct on a few things here.

AG Kane has made it possible for PA residents to only carry with a PA LTCF.

 

[SMMAssociates]

I think Kane may be responsible for ending the mail-order process, too.

I have to drive over there Monday instead of sending Denny Nau $20....

(OTOH, a badly placed shot on our club rifle range could land in PA . The only downside is that Lawrence County, which is practically in my backyard, wants LOCAL references. Meantime, PA Counties don't have to issue non-resident licenses if the Sheriff doesn't want to.)

I was poking around in "paperwork" the other night and realized that my PA license and my Ohio driver's license, all came due next week....

Regards,

 

[Red Wind]

I'm glad I've had Denny Nau,Centre County, since 2006. Hopefully we can hold on to him from Florida.

Hopefully.

 

[SMMAssociates]

Red Wind:

Unfortunately, PA no longer permits mail-order non-resident licensing. If you have one, it's good until it expires, but then you have to shop for a willing Sheriff in PA, and go visit him.

For some reason I thought my expiration date was in August or September, and thought about driving to Centre County to meet Denny, but while digging around through "important papers", I noticed the expiration date....

(Not to mention my OH Driver's License .)

The mud monster showed up on Friday with business at the County's Title Office, and then she had to go to the BMV Deputy Registrar, so I took care of that with her on Friday. The Title office is in a bad area, too....

Regards,

 

[jbrown50]

Correct on a few things here.

AG Kane has made it possible for PA residents to only carry with a PA LTCF.

That's not correct. The PA Attorney General has outlawed all UT, FL, and VA non-resident permits regardless of whether the holder of said permit is a PA resident or not.

One of the things (the other being her obvious extreme left wing political bias) that makes me extremely suspicious of her true intentions is that Utah does not issue non-resident permits to the resident of another state, that has reciprocity with them, unless you send them a photocopy of your resident permit. What is the point of outlawing UT non-resident permits since PA residents can't get them unless they first have a PA permit anyway?

 

[BenFoo]

That's not correct. The PA Attorney General has outlawed all UT, FL, and VA non-resident permits regardless of whether the holder of said permit is a PA resident or not.



One of the things (the other being her obvious extreme left wing political bias) that makes me extremely suspicious of her true intentions is that Utah does not issue non-resident permits to the resident of another state, that has reciprocity with them, unless you send them a photocopy of your resident permit. What is the point of outlawing UT non-resident permits since PA residents can't get them unless they first have a PA permit anyway?

So if I'm not correct....how do PA residents conceal carry without a PA LTCF?

 

[jbrown50]

So if I'm not correct....how do PA residents conceal carry without a PA LTCF?

PA residents can carry on a PA permit or any other state's non-resident permit that is accepted by PA and the PA AG. UT,FL and VA non-resident permits are no longer accepted for anyone whether they're a PA resident or not.

If the PA AG was simply trying to force PA residents to carry on a PA permit only then why not just state that PA residents can only legally carry on a PA permit? Why ban non-resident permits altogether? It's especially baffling for Utah since a PA resident must have a PA permit first before they can receive a Utah non-resident permit.

 

[Doc7]

Has there been any governmental statement on this "change"? Some guys on the PAFOA forums have emailed the AG office asking for clarification as to whether or not anything has changed for non PA residents (such as NJ who carry in PA on a Utah permit, as we are not eligible for a PA permit unless we possess one from our own state which is nigh impossible)

 

[BenFoo]

PA residents can carry on a PA permit or any other state's non-resident permit that is accepted by PA and the PA AG. UT,FL and VA non-resident permits are no longer accepted for anyone whether they're a PA resident or not.



If the PA AG was simply trying to force PA residents to carry on a PA permit only then why not just state that PA residents can only legally carry on a PA permit? Why ban non-resident permits altogether? It's especially baffling for Utah since a PA resident must have a PA permit first before they can receive a Utah non-resident permit.

There are no other non-resident permits you can acquire without a PA permit as a PA resident. So she has done exactly that. Required PA residents to have a home LTCF to carry concealed in PA.

Closing the "loopholes" as she stated....


And the recent McKown case that does smack PA residents in the face, yet again.

 

[Doc7]

Utah just updated their state public safety page adding PA as a permit not recognized! We are going the wrong direction.

 

[Red Wind]

Red Wind:

Unfortunately, PA no longer permits mail-order non-resident licensing. If you have one, it's good until it expires, but then you have to shop for a willing Sheriff in PA, and go visit him.

That is bad news. My PA Centre County permit expires on August 11, just 3 months away.

I visit relatives in Bangor and Yeadon there every year. So now you are saying I have to Sheriff shop in person to renew? Very bad mojo. Pennsylvania, that I love so much,sliding towards the dark side.

 

[Doc7]

http://forum.pafoa.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=62534&d=1399910479

 

[tomrkba]

What is it with states and their bad attitude toward carry and reciprocity? ALL state standards are so low that the only things that matter are the person passed the test and background check.

 

[jbrown50]

There are no other non-resident permits you can acquire without a PA permit as a PA resident. So she has done exactly that. Required PA residents to have a home LTCF to carry concealed in PA.

Closing the "loopholes" as she stated....


And the recent McKown case that does smack PA residents in the face, yet again.

There weren't any "loopholes" to close. If she wanted to restrict PA residents to only carry on PA permits then she should have done that. Why ban ALL UT, FL, and VA non-resident permit holders from carrying in PA?

 

[BenFoo]

There weren't any "loopholes" to close. If she wanted to restrict PA residents to only carry on PA permits then she should have done that. Why ban ALL UT, FL, and VA non-resident permit holders from carrying in PA?

I agree. As a PA resident and unlucky resident of Philadelphia it is WAY easier for me to get an out of state non-resident permit from any of the listed above than from the gun-hating fear mongers in the PGU (Philadelphia Gun Unit. Yes they have a whole PPD unit dedicated to it).

I had all my paperwork filled out for a VA non-resident permit and just as I was about to send it AG Kane changes the rules.


So THATS the "loophole" she closed. Repressed Philadelphia residents that chose to acquire a legal way to carry without having to bother with Philadelphia politics.



In order to understand you have to think like a liberal, gun grabbing elitist. Who has armed protection detail 24/7. Me not thee.

 

[jbrown50]

BenFoo,

I think she has ulterior motives and more drastic actions are on her radar. She wanted to kill two birds with one stone so to speak, ie; use Philadelphia as an excuse to ban non-resident permits.

 

[BenFoo]

BenFoo,



I think she has ulterior motives and more drastic actions are on her radar. She wanted to kill two birds with one stone so to speak, ie; use Philadelphia as an excuse to ban non-resident permits.

Her campaign was paid for by "The Mayor" of course she has ulterior motives.

My only hope now is she gets impeached due to her failure to prosecute corruption amongst other things.

Not sure what happens if there is a special election to replace her or whether a deputy/assistant steps in, special appointment by Gov Corbet. No idea.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Why does anyone find this surprising? Utah has become a "permit mill" where non-residents can get a permit by mail after taking a 4 hour course with no qualification and no live fire required.

Nevada dropped Utah as well for much the same reason.